The Archer was designed like that O_Ho. It wasn’t the wrong way, the gun had too much recoil irl so they were forced to slap it backward so the tank hull could actually handle the recoil and it meant to be a defensive tank rather than an offensive one. Aside from that you made several good points.
For the however, the Chi-Ri was a 3-stage autoloader, 1 in the chamber 2 on the side.
Is it slow not really, goes up to 30 kph which is more than some tanks. Anyway though cool down, seems to be getting a little heated.
I’m just saying, this for contextual purposes. Since a lot of people don’t understand why the gun was mounted backward. The same case for the Chi-Ha-Long Gun irl was mounted backward. Carry on though.
Yes, but this “correction” was not needed. i brought it up, because it has a high pen round with fast reload, yet the vehicle as a whole is bad.
My argument was to illustrate that pen values are worthless without talking about other characteristics of the tank.
it could have a Leo 2 gun with 1s reload, it would still be bad.
We both know how much Post war stuff is floating around at 6 and 7 BR and bear in mind that you are only in 6BR as long you play M51 on it’s own.A soon as you add another vehicle the BR is 6.7 then 7.3 Shot and 7.7 for the Magach.Only very recently did the 109 turn up at 6.0.
You may be forgetting the unusual (And terrible) arrangement Israel has with it’s line up situation.
Sooooooo, i counted them all, and here it is:
Bonrath 92d 119k
hjnbnb 29d 11k
Casino_Knight 9d 23k
de Radio Demon@live 69d 75k
Josephs_Piano 4d 3k
warner7 46d 52k
NAYEONnaise 53d 53k
GNDM Panzer@live 110d 93k
KillaKiwi 21d 15k
Drakunite 156d 369k (has more “experience” alone than you do btw)
Razielkaine 12d 11k
AlvisWisla 67d 156k
ACKScout 139d 178k
xxIRONHEAD787xx 38d 27k
Duster71 195d 90k
KayserWilhelm 103d 49k
ULQ_LOVER 190d 475k (has more “experience” alone than you do btw)
raydenbro69 38d 25k
Insert copium and “YoU doNt HaVe LiFe FoR cOuNtInG tHat” here:
What about the new players? Do they want the M51 to go up? A good player says the tank is OP and needs to be moved.An average player may say it is fine as it is.Is the vehicle the reason a player is seal clubbing? Would they do so in any vehicle and do they ?
If I bought the best premium vehicle available at 11 BR I would get smashed because I don’t know the game up there.Never played top tier.
If every fool did the same the stats for the best vehicle would be horrendous and it would drop in BR but the Tank would be the same tank would it not?
Do stats’ take into consideration games were somebody pulled out early for whatever reason? Frustrated newbie’s trying Israel because it’s their homeland or whatever ?
I have 252 games in the M51 and 279 kills so I am average and I say the M51 is just fine where it is.Make of my stats what you will but they are honest.If a better player does better that is the player not the tank.The M51 is what it is.
What stats show the Veterancy of the player compared to the chosen vehicle they use? If every good and experienced player jumped into a Jumbo because they had seen Fury at the cinema the kill stats would suddenly soar through the roof but the characteristics of the vehicle would remain the same.Or am I missing something?
EDIT OK I remember Israel can only be unlocked by unlocking rank IV but I did that when I thought I knew it all and really knew nothing. 6-7 br is still a big step
So we talk about M51 battles and you count another thing, well done. I think comming from someone cant find the proper forum secton for complain is normal LOL.
Gaijin use stats from ALL players, if good players do extremly well dont care if worse players said is fine that tank is going to highger BR for sure.
Yes. You can’t look at someone’s stat and conclude the tank’s performance. I bet there are people with insane K/D with a Churchill 7. Does that means that the tank is OP? No. It is a piece of trash tank regardless.
Yes.
tjo there are tanks that will require less skill to use, than others. As a new player, you are better off using a T-34 or a KV-1, than a Panzer 4. usually Panzer 4 (and honestly Tiger, and Panther) collectively share half a braincell, but it does not mean that the tanks themselves are bad. They are great tanks in fact.
It also depends a lot on the players’ playstyle. Recently i played with the Panzer 4s, and with the J variant i had a good K/D (and also with the others i played back in like 2016 with 20fps xd). i don’t really like those tanks, yet i managed to get a good stat. It would be even better if i would not messed up some early games where i had to get used to the different style.
Also due to the deffensive playstyle of those tanks allowed me to die less often, than with others (T-34 and M4) at that BR, because i like brawling at those BRs.
If i were to play 100s of games with a Panzer 4, i can safely bet that it would have my best K/D, but i still would play other tanks over it.
There are also aquite a few tanks that are lower than they should be due to players being trash (Khm khm Panzer 4), while others are way higher (like the japanese, especially the Chi-Nu. Same BR as the F2, despite being way worse in every way. Oh, and there is a Sherman and T-34 at that BR too).
A good example from back then is the german M48. It was lower than the US one, because, well, germany mains xd. It is a miracle that they don’t just forget to breathe and suffocate.
Do you realise that you just shot yourself in the foot, right? RIGHT?
Yes, you said you played 136 battles, and had 370 kills.
Now, this might be a shocking thing to you, so please, get ready!!
I counted deaths instead of battles. Assuming everybody always died 3 times with the M-51, we get this:
1371 total deaths. Now as i said, let’s assume they died 3 times in each battle, so let’s divide 1371 with 3.
We get: 1371/3=457. So worst case scenario, they played at least 457 matches with M-51.
How many did you? 136…
457/136=3.36…
They played at least 3.36 times more battles, than you buddy.
