Regarding the Hull Armor of the M1A2 SEP V3

‘‘Sorely needs’’

I’m sorry, but that actually made me laugh out loud for a second. The US now has two of the best MBT’s in the game, and there’s still people claiming it ‘‘Sorely needs’’ DU hull armour.

Anyways, ignoring the ludicrousness of that claim for the moment, there’s a couple problems with the DU hull armour comment:

  • Those vehicles equipped with DU hulls were of the M1A1 (likely M1A1 HA) variety, those are a variant we don’t even have in War Thunder.

  • That also means it doesn’t benefit any of the top-tier M1’s in any way, none of those models are stated to have been equipped with DU hulls.

  • Gaijin did give M1’s some experimental stuff relatively recently with the Laser Warning and Rapid Obscuration System on the SEP v2, I don’t recall many vehicles being equipped with it IRL and I don’t recall it ever being officially adopted, yet the in-game SEP v2 has it anyways. (And it is pretty neat, even if slightly niche).

Production numbers don’t matter and never have, I once again see these silly double standards where these things only become a problem when it’s a Russian vehicle, but an American vehicle in the same situation is totally fine and/or goes unmentioned.

Were you complaining about limited production numbers and/or prototype status when the AGS dev blog came out? The XM246? HSTV-L? XM800T? EFV? T58?

Besides, as far as I’ve been informed the T-90M with Arena will enter some form of production and is very likely (if not already) taking part in active combat operations in the place that shall not be mentioned.

There are likely hundreds of vehicles in War Thunder that have significantly worse combat/production/operations records than this T-90M Arena does.

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You are showing armor layout of apc/mbt hybrid which was built to withstand common threats in that region like rpg7 and be able to safely deliver some infantry. It was not made to shrug off modern apfsds. Because it wont face modern mbt in duel.

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Merkava is already pretty solid, you are mostly just a mediocre player.

Lmao

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Italy finest leopard 💀

We should normalize how Gaijin treat nations ass take

More than half is wild. That only happens to 20% of my shots against a T-series at most in my experience.

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At this rate they should give M1 and Leopards to the Russian since we also don’t have any dokument on T-series armour…However, they made the effort to make “educated-guess-armour” instead of making their domestic tanks as bad as the Ariete

You would need to have more than educated guesses to give the Ariete top tier worthy armor, you would need a rich fantasy and a good supply of hard drugs.

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The mental gymastics the average modern nato only player can go through is mind blowing

I mean if they can fake Relikt ERA effectiveness with the Ukraine war showing it sucks they can fake buffing armor at this point. Only reason to grind Italy is for L3 content at all BRs.

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L3 content at all BRs

certainly the only reason why I grind Italy

Lol, you made me laugh out loud. Ever heard of the Leopard 2A7s? Str122Bs? Heck, even the T80BVM requires fewer brain cells to play than the abrams.

I appreciate your attempt to deflect from the problem in that Gaijin elected not to implement DU hulls on the M1a1s and later abrams with the red herring that those “variants” weren’t added. Well duh… that’s the point.

Adding an LWS was probably the weakest prototype upgrade they could have given the abrams at the time considering the US has mounted miniguns and APS systems on them well before Russia added them to the T-90M.

Hahahahahha. It’s now a double standard to point out the double standard? Oh that is rich.

“I like the RU being-strong narrative of this game”
“You have C&P M1 and Leopard so shut up”
“Aye, look at the spec… they are better than our educated-guess-T-series”

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Yes, playing t-90m is such a pain in the ass because of the non-existent reverse speed and lacks gun depression, bvm imo is the only 12.7 material. If it weren’t for the extra bit of armor the t-90m will be 11.3 because it will just be another t-72b3.

I’ll list down why I think the t-90m suck base on my experience

  1. non-existent reverse gear in a br where miliseconds matters, you are exposing yourself longer for enemy fire. You are too slow to reposition should the enemy comes from behind. In cqc maps you are often a shoot once die tank due to long reload and you will keep running into this situation.

  2. 7 seconds reload, slowest reload time in its respective br, you don’t have the same windows of time to disable/kill enemies as NATO counter parts which is at 5.3 seconds. Furthermore you run into a situation where you head-on an enemy and non-pen/non-crit each other then they will fire the next bullet while you still reloading.

  3. lacks gun depression, while not being as bad as chinese vt-4s when the barrel is within the front hull, it’s bad enough to a point where you can’t use the same camping positions as NATO counterpart. Also due to the lack of engine power the bvm can crest a hill much quicker so it gonna lower the gun enough to point at the target quicker.

  4. Tall mg turret (similar to the tea table situation of Challengers), you are always exposed on maps like marginot lines and remain visible to enemy light tanks so you will maintain a marker on your ass, this happens when you peek the hill with a binocular, while you can stay invisible with bvm, 12.0s abrams and leo 2a5,6/7 because they don’t put trash on top of the turret. With 100 foot tall trash on top of the turret, enemies already anticipate and preaim before you pop up to shoot. Not to mention you will attract spikes like cow poop attracts flies.

  5. Ugly tank (I know its subjective) as ugly tank makes me perform worse bro it is what it is, I already feel disgusted looking at such an ugly tank in third person view, almost as ugly as the M1296 that looks like a toilet bowl.

Only thing going for it is the ufp armor, side armor and spall liner occasionally absorb darts and vibranium turret chicks, all those armor isn’t enough for the tradeoff for mobility, @Rafale和歼-10C百合 right? it has the best turret chicks in the game bro makes the one on merkavas feels like pepper.

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I dont take their words seriously about T90M tbh.

Its a good tank, sure not the best one but far from bein trash.

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Not only that it is trash, it’s also ugly as hell which makes it worse bro despite both being in the same br, the v3 in its current form is in a different league. Also unlike other t series, the t-90m also prone to ammo cook off when shot in the turret chicks bro it can go down to 12.3 or 12.0 yet it will still be crap

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Sure buddy, keep telling yourself that (especially on ugly part).

T-90M does look ugly tho

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If you think that tank looks ugly you have low level taste in my book.

This thing looks so much better than BVM.

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Yeah nah. They removed the cute eyes when they went from T-90A → T-90M and also the back of the turret looks squeezed. Even the FCM.36 turret looks better then T-90M turret

You lost me there.