Regarding the F-2A ADTW 13.7 Battle Rating

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Yesterday, I made a post complaining about the F-2A ADTW’s 13.7 battle rating change in ARB and ASB over the use of GNSS ordnance

The F-2A ADTW is granted access to GBU-64’s, GBU-31’s, GBU-62’s and GBU-38’s GNSS bombs, ASM-1, ASM-2 and ASM-3 Anti-Ship missiles
However, these are locked behind a 13.7 BR, on which the F-2A ADTW has to endure uptiers against many FOX-3’s, so the only way it can fight back is to equip the AAM-4’s, leaving the 7M’s behind and going 14.0
Doesn’t sound like a problem? right?
Except… it was never a problem at 13.0 Air Realistic Battles (ARB) nor Air Simulator Battles (ASB) under no circunstances
These bombs and missiles where used mostly against NPC’s and AI objectives, they weren’t useful during PvP matches (Because you’re fighting jets) and I never heard a single complain during any of my matches (Other than them failing to kill an objective)
Locking them at 13.7 really feels like a dumb decision no one asked for, that benefits no one and reduces the multi-role capacity of the aircraft at 13.0 without any actual reason: And there’s proof on why there is actually no reason to increase the BR by that ordnance.

Today, I recopilated some jets that are allowed to be used at much lower BRs with the same type of ordnance the F-2A isn’t allowed to carry and has to face a BR increase
I made this list to ask, once again, to remove the 13.7 battle rating and allow the F-2A ADTW to be used at 13.0 or 14.0, with the main difference being the use of AAM-4’s and not the use of GNSS bombs nor ARH+IOG missiles (Both ordnances being allowed to be played with at 13.0 or even 13.3 minimun)

Before we get started: My main complain is towards Air battles and Air battles only, I am not searching for a GRB nor GSB rework on the BR because that’s a different gamemode.
Also, I am not asking Gaijin to nerf any of the Vehicles mentioned on this list, I want Gaijin to compare the vehicles they are allowing below 13.7 to carry GNSS/TV/MITL/ARH ordnance while the F-2A ADTW has to choose that BR in order to use GNSS ordnance.

USA:

  • F-18A (12.3) (Allowed to use AGM-62 ER/DL with MITL and AGM-84D)
  • F-16A (ARB 12.3 / Sim 12.7) (Allowed to use GBU-8’s)
  • F-18C (Premium) (12.7) (Allowed to use AGM-62’s with MITL and AGM-84D)
  • F-14B / F-14D / F-14D Super Tomcat (Premium) (ARB 12.7 / ASB 13.0) (Allowed to use GBU-31 JDAM’s, EGBU-24’s and GBU-38’s)
  • AV-8B+ (13.0) (Allowed to use GBU-54B LJDAM’s, AGM-154 JSOW’s and GBU-32 JDAM’s)

Germany:

  • Tornado IDS ASSTA1 (11.7) (Allowed to carry GBU-54B LJDAMN’s and AS.34’s)
  • Tornado IDS SLE (12.3) (Allowed to carry HOSBO’s and GBU-54B LJDAM’s and AS.34’s)
  • SU-22M4 / SU-22M4 WTD61 (Premium) (11.0) (Allowed to carry KH-29T’s)

USSR:

  • J-22M1A (Premium) (9.0) (If used with PGB’s, BR increased to 10.3 / If used with GROM-B’s, VRVZ-240’s, BR increases to 11.0 / If used with KOSAVA’s, BR increases to 11.3)
  • SU-17M4 (10.0) (Allowed to carry KH-29T’s)
  • SU-24M (11.3) (Allowed to carry KAB-1500Kr’s, KAB-500S’, KAB-500Kr-M’s, KH-29TE’s, KH-59’s with MITL and FAB-500M-62’s)
  • SU-25SM3 (ARB 10.7 / Sim 11.7) (Allowed to carry KAB-500S’, KAB-500Kr-E’s and KH-29TE’s) (If used with KH-38ML or KH-38MT, ARB BR increases to 11.7 while Sim BR increases to 12.7)
  • SU-25BM (Event vehicle) (ARB 11.0 / Sim 11.7) (Allowed to carry KAB-500Kr-E’s and KH-29TE’s)
  • SU-39 (Premium) (ARB 11.3 / Sim 11.7) (Allowed to carry KH-29TE’s and KAB-500Kr’s) (If used with R-77’s, BR increases to 12.7 - No BR increase if you use the ordnance described before)
  • SU-25T (ARB 11.3 / Sim 11.7) (Allowed to use KH-29T’s and KAB-500Kr’s)

Great Britain:

  • Bucaneer S.2B (9.3) (Allowed to carry MBDA Anti-ship missiles) (If used with AJ.168’s with MITL, BR increases to 10.3)
  • F-111C (11.3) (Allowed to carry GBU-15(v)2/B’s with MITL)
  • Tornado GR.1 (11.7) (Allowed to use MBDA Anti-Ship missiles, PGM-2000/2’s and PGM-500/2’s)
  • Hawk 200 (10.7) (Allowed to use MBDA Anti-Ship missiles)
  • Harrier T.10 (11.3) (Allowed to carry EPW2’s)
  • Hawk 200 RDA (11.3) (Allowed to use MBDA Anti-Ship missiles)
  • Tornado GR.4 (12.3) (Allowed to use PGM-2000/2’s, PGM-2000/3’s, EPW2’s, PaveWay IV’s, PGM 500/3’s and EGBU-24’s)
  • Harrier GR.7 (12.3) (Allowed to carry EPW2’s and PaveWay IV’s)

Japan:

  • Hawk 209 (10.7) (Allowed to use MBDA Anti-Ship missiles)
  • F-4EJ KAI Phantom II (12.3) (Allowed to use ASM-1’s and ASM-2’s) (IF THESE MISSILES ARE USED ON THE F-2A ADTW, BR INCREASES TO 13.7 - MEANWHILE, THE F-4EJ CAN USE THEM AT THE ORIGINAL BR)

China

  • JH-7A (12.3) (Allowed to use GB-1000’s, KD-88’s with MITL, LS-6 500’s, KH-29’s, LS-6 250’s, LS-6 250 (IR) and GB-250’s)
  • JH-7A2 (13.0) (Allowed to use GB-1000’s, KD-88’s and KD-88A’s with MITL, LS-6 500’s, KH-29’s, LS-6 250’s, LS-6 250 (IR), GB-250’s, YJ-83K and YJ-91 Anti-Ship missiles)
  • JF-17 (13.3) (Allowed to use LS-6 500’s, LS-6 250’s, and LS-6 250 (IR)'s)

Italy

  • Tornado IDS (11.3) (Allowed to use AS.34 Anti-Ship missiles)
  • Tornado IDS (1995) (ARB 11.3 / Sim 11.7) (Allowed to use AS.34 Anti-Ship missiles)
  • Tornado IDS MLU (11.7) (Allowed to use GBU-31 JDAM’s, GBU-32 JDAM’s, GBU-38 JDAM’s, GBU-54B LJDAM’s, GBU-39’s, EGBU-24’s and AS.34 Anti-Ship missiles)
  • AV-8B+ (13.0) (Allowed to use GBU-54B LJDAM’s, AGM-154 JSOW’s, GBU-38’s and GBU-32 JDAM’s)
  • M-346FA (13.0) (Allowed to carry PaveWay IV’s and GBU-32 JDAM’s)

France:

  • F-16A (12.7) (Allowed to carry GBU-8’s, GBU-31 JDAM’s and GBU-38 JDAM’s)
  • Mirage 2000D-RMV (12.7) (Allowed to carry PGM-2000/3’s with MITL, AASM-250’s (SBU-38, 54 and 64), PaveWay II 49’s and PGM-500/3’s with MITL)

Sweden:

  • AJS37 (Early) (ARB 11.0 / Sim 11.3) (Allowed to carry RB-75T’s and RB-15F’s Anti-Ship Missiles)
  • F-16A (ARB 12.3 / Sim 12.7) (Allowed to carry GBU-8’s)
  • JAS39-5 (Premium) / JAS39A (13.0) (Allowed to carry RB-75T’s and RB-15F’s Anti-Ship Missiles) (If RB-99’s are equipped, BR increases to 13.7 - If the ordnance described is used, BR is the same, no changes)

Israel:

  • Kurnass (ARB 11.3 / Sim 10.7) (Allowed to carry GBU-15(v)1/B’s with MITL, GBU-8’s and AGM-62A’s)
  • Kurnass 2000 (ARB 12.0 / Sim 12.3) (Allowed to carry GBU-15(v)1/B’s with MITL and both Delilah’s with MITL)
  • Baz (12.7) (Allowed to carry GBU-8’s)
  • Netz (Mods) (Premium) () (Allowed to carry GBU-31 JDAM’s)

Now, with the list being finished, I have to ask once again
I AM NOT ASKING FOR THESE JETS BR’S TO RISE UP NOR TO NERF THEM
I am comparing the ordnances they are allowed to carry, smart ordnance that can be thrown just like any of the GNSS’ bombs found with the F-2A ADTW
I am asking Gaijin to give the F-2A ADTW two BR brackets: 13.0 and 14.0
No 13.7, hell, I reckon the F-2A ADTW is damn good on dogfights, but that’s not because of the bombs or Anti-ship missiles
Nerf the F-2A to 13.3 if you all want, that’s valid
But don’t lock it’s bombs and missiles at 13.7, no other plane gets the same treatment, and they shouldn’t (Except for some MITL bombs and missiles below 13.0).

Please Gaijin, give the F-2A ADTW the love it deserves

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Aren’t the weapons 13.7 because of their effectiveness compared to other vehicles?

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I don’t see how 8 GNSS bombs are worth a full BR increase over say the 6 Mavs on the F-16AJ, or why ASM-1/2s are fine on the F-4EJ Kai at 12.3 but need to be 13.7 on the F-2A ADTW.
All the default dumb bomb loadouts are now unusable at 13.0 as well as they have the TGP that is locked to 13.7.

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If that’s the case

The F-14’s, AV-8B+'s, Tornado’s, harrier’s, the M-346FA, the french F-16A and netz BR’s would be higher

Guess what, they aren’t - And no, their BR shouldn’t increase in Air battles because of their effectiveness (Although it’s GNSS, once launched it doesn’t retrack nor moves from the indicated position, so it’s useful against stationary targets like bases, att/def positions and a few carriers)

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The actual glide bombs I can sort of understand as you can farm ground targets from inside the airfield SPAA and the ASM-3s are pretty nuts in NE, but the regular GNSS and the ASM-1/2s and TGP don’t really make that much differance.

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Also many vehicles at even lower BR’s are capable of carrying bombs or missiles with MITL capability without having their BR’s affected

“Are some of them bombers?” yes
What’s the deal with them being bombers? the F-2A is a multirole jet that should give the option to bomb too

“It is a multirole jet, that’s why it got increased”

  • F-16A’s is a multirole jet that can carry GBU-8’s that track enemies, below 13.0
  • F-18’s are multirole and some get the AGM-62 with MITL at 12.3
  • SU-24M can carry KH-59’s with MITL at 11.3
  • F-111’s can carry tons of ordnance while having good top speed and they get access to the MITL version of the GBU-8
  • JH-7’s are at 12.3 or 13.0 with MITL missiles and good AtA missile options
  • Mirage can carry 2 Magic 2’s
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Idk I don’t play the F-2 it’s why I’m asking, are they better than other weapons around that BR

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the F-2A ADTW only gets access to GNSS ordnance only and ARH+IOG A-S missiles

F-2A gets access to Laser+GNSS+IOG bombs at 14.0 which is a better version that can track enemies

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NGL we could also let the ASM-3’s, GBU-64’s and GBU-62’s to be locked at 14.0 but the ASM-1/2’s, 31’s and 38’s should be allowed for 13.0 or even 13.3

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Not really, the F-16s have better CAS as far as moving targets go, the best the F-2A ATDW has is 8 GNSS glide bombs so it can hit stationary ground targets from range a bit better, but I would consider the mavs better over all, it’s defiantly FAR worse then the new F/A-18D at 13.7.

Yeah, that’s what I would do, also add the missing F-2A laser guided bombs, the ADTWs are the planes that are used to test all those weapons for compatibility to begin with.

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I mean I guess it’s probably gaijin putting certain weapons up because of the flight model of the F-2

I mean some of the vehicles that did get the new BR system don’t really get crazy CAS anyways and only have their loadouts affected by A2A weapons.

It’s probably gaijin over exaggerating certain weapon performances

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So so, personally I’d rather have 8 GPS bombs over 4 AGM65As but that’s just me but not all vehicles are limited to 4 agms and get upwards of 6 or more

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Could be

Yet again, I’m down if the F-2A ADTW gets a BR nerf, that’s deserved
A nerf with the ordnance with an awkward balance option? big no no this time, really screwed the vehicles’ A2G grind

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I mean it’s not the first time and definitely won’t be the last time.

I mean I’m hoping we see some more BR loadouts for other aircraft especially since we have vehicles with no CAS loadouts stuck at 13.3 lol

Also can’t the Anti ship missiles lock ground targets irl?

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The F-16A/ AJ has 6 mavs at 12.3, but yes it is a matter of preference, for PvE farming the GNSS glide bombs are the probably the safest option.
But it’s a new system, so we will see how it shakes out, it’s probably not fair to compare to planes that don’t have the system yet, they might have something similar happen to them.

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Eh I can’t stand the early F16s lol, if I’m gonna play it I’d probably just play the shitty penguins on them because it’s sorta unique lol