False, its possible DM53 is slightly nerfed (ERA tip), however DM53 has long been phased out for newer rounds.
There is clearly an area on that round designed to fail otherwise why not make the round a solid dart.
As I said it is hard to find the information now largely thanks to War thunder every attempted search brings up forum/redit discussions
DM-53 is being used by our partners against Russian armour and performing well be all accounts.
For all I know its not an Anti-ERA tip.
Expected so I guess, I don’t know about DM53.
Russian ERA must overperform for stalinium reasons
L27A1 was developed to be able to frontally penetrate the T80U (with ERA) after the British managed to “illegally” purchase one and test its armour.
It would make sense for it to be an anti-ERA tip as they would have known how the ERA worked.
The British created a fake company which was intended to buy T80Us for Morroco, but they were actually shipped to the UK and then one was sent to the US for testing. Therefore, modern NATO rounds have at least been developed to combat Kontact 5.
It is designed to defeat ERA, I’m not sure how they do it. They tested the round against Russian K5 armour from the T-80U (again not sure if they tested the armour or made copies of it for testing)
Like all NATO testing the CR2 would have had to have been able to reliably defeat the ERA on a T-80/T-72 from 2000m away.
What? U just shown a photo of 3bm60(~550mm pen) vs t90a side skirt with contact-5 era (~120mm pen reduction). Obiously u still gonna pen that. Idk what u mean by that.
Yes i meant KE pen not chemical (i didnt precise it sry ) and by static value i meant hitting era on any angle will reduce intial pen by that KE era stat even if its on 90° so basically 650mm pen dart becomes a 400mm pen. Thats why autocannons like 25mm from bradley cant pen relict on 90° cuz its ~100mm pen which should easily pen smth like t80 on 90° if there was any angle caculation for era but that doesnt happen
Oh yeah and also spall is dependent on residual mm pen left so yea thats a little bit wierd why gayjin left it that way for years
it doesnt reduce by 120mm tho, the base armor is already 80mm… it increases the armor by around 40 or 50mm not 120mm as you claim, in war thunder
Russian era doesnt work that way they offer more protection the higher the angle, here you can see how it offers 120mm of extra protection while flat offers a increase on 50mm, the kontact 5 also has a 120mm cap meaning that once you get into the ideal angle the protection does not increase, they dont reduce the penetration of the round for example kontact 5 acts like an extra 50mm plate, meaning that flat they offer 50mm like you can see on the photo, but over 65º they offer 120mm (50mm/cos65º), over that angle they flatline on protection, and they clearely doesnt offer a 120 mm reduction at 90º as you claim.
well the 25mm apds pens 81mm which is already too low for the side armor of the t72/80 and the apfsds pens 10 mm which it does pen the sides but it is also to low to pen the sides after going through the era specially on the t80 later t80 chasis as they are in game HHRa, and even if you give the minimun protection that the era had which is 17 HHR which means that the sides have by default over 100mm of steel, on the areas covered by the era.
you cant just shoot once and expect to pen, for ERA you have to shoot multiple times for it to fall off
Yea i tested it on my own and it actually caculates angle. I still dont know why they left 200mm pen reduction on flat side. Anyway u were right sry
problem isn’t that much the russian era than gaijin preventing nato mbt from getting their better rounds. It’s pure russian bias here (and how many premium t80 with kontakt5/relict are there?).
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I agree with you on the Ariete, but Merkavas have numerous benefits over Russian MBTs that help it stay somewhat competitive.
DM53 is very much still in use, or well the penetrator. DM53A1, DM63 or DM73 come to mind as they all share the same penetrator as DM53 just with new propellants. The only german shell with a new penetrator is DM83 aka KE2020neo.
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No i meant that in stat it says 200mm for example
There’s not a single premium with Relikt.
DM53 L/55 can already go through K5 tanks.
I’d say that USSR tanks losing their UFP armor would make them as bad as Arietes, if not worse in some cases.
Yeah I could see that being the case - though at least they’d still have some decent turret armour.