Re-add the Maus or remove every hard to balance vehicle in the game

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At the time the MAUS was removed HEAT-FS was much less prevalent. Only this past BR decompression has allowed the MAUS to “function” somewhat in team engagements and this is only in even matches / downtiers.

It can’t go further down in BR tanks in a full downtier would have no hope of penning it. It is a toy where it’s at but at least you can get shot 12 times with HEAT-FS before you die.

World of Tanks offers paper / prototype / meme tanks in its main tech tree, War Thunder’s policy is to not implement such vehicles in the main tech tree

There are exceptions to this rule (Ostwind II) but for the most part things remain historical ignoring event vehicles which is where FOMO is applied in full.

If you want to complain about FOMO well Gaijin doesn’t care they want money. I don’t think the MAUS should be in the main tech tree for two reasons

  1. It’s a meme tank

  2. It’s more fun as a rare sighting than 7 of them rolling towards the A point

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misunderstanding on my part you should have mentioned your opinion is in agreement with my statement you just wanted clarification on the original post

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M22, m6a1, t1e1, t34, t92, t25, t95, xm803, mbt70, hstvl, vk3002, ostwind 2, maus, turm 3, df105, tam, tam2c, bagelpanzer, kpz70, leo2k, japz ka2, obj 268, obj906, obj 435, obj 685, obj248, fv4202, fv4005, vickers mk1, vickers mk3, vickers mk7, rooikat mttd, ttd, and more

A list of tanks 7.7 and below that can pen the maus: m41a1, m56, m36b2, t34, t29, m46, m46 tiger, t26e1, m47, m48, t32, t32e1, m103, t95, t92, m50, t114, t28, t44 100, is3, is4m, su 100p, 2s1, 2s3m, bmp1, su122 54, obj 268, t54 1947, t34 100, su100, cent mk1, cent mk3, charioteer, fv4202, tortoise, conway, ratel 90, ratel 20, eland m7, cent action x, caernarvon, conqueror, sta 1, sta 2, sta 3, type 61, ho ri production, m41a1, type 60sprg, m47, type 63, type 62, zts63, zbd86, m48a1, su100, sherman vc, m36b1, 2s1, aubl 74, fiat 6614, m47 105/55, c13 t90, amx m4, m36 b2, ca lorraine, elc bis, amx 10m, amx 50 foch, amx 50, sir bias, amx 50 toa100, lorraine 40t, aml 90, amx 13 90, strv 74, charioteer, ikv 91, strv 81, m51, aml 90, magach 1, magach 2, shot.

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MAUS isn’t in the main tech tree lol

Most of these vehicles were under trial for main line production others had numerous prototypes built all had at least 1 AFAIK

World of Tanks uses paper has justification for variants, different from a fully functioning prototype

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Then lets please remove all meme tanks from general player access. By your wishes.

How exactly is that in any way a justifiable argument? “Its more fun only seeing a t80bvm rarely instead of 7 of them rushing towards the A point”
You can replace the (maus) in your argument with literally any vehicle in game. Should we just remove 100% of the vehicles in game because other people enjoy playing them but some people dont like seeing them?

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Thats funny because the entire community prior to 2019 remembers it being IN the nain tech tree.

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That includes the maus, it was considered for further testing and potential production and had 2 hulls built and one turret.

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A fully functioning prototype… So the maus.

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What a biased poll lol. No option to keep it the same.

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Maus wasn’t removed cause it was hard to balance.
Object 279 & IS-7 are already “removed” @Miragen , and Maus comes back every year.

@Vamilad
Panther II, Flakpanzer 341, and Tiger 2 105 are all fake.
Object 279 cannot be 9.0 currently as 10.0s are the reason it wasn’t played when they were 9.7.
That and at 8.7, all but Chieftain easily pens the 279.
Chieftain requires more aim.

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You should use the wayback machine or look through gaijins old posts because that is exactly why they removed it.

So why dont we make all similar vehicles rare once a year opportunities like the maus?

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Tiger I E can not be 6.0 because it can not face 7.0 (like IS 3)

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You just have to wait like 2 more weeks to get it. Once you put even a single rp into its research, it stays in your tech tree

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Maus wasn’t removed cause it was hard to balance.

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In other words: We refuse to decompress BRs at all costs and we pretend the Maus is the problem and not that it faces modern vehicles.

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None of these were removed because they were difficult to balance…

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It should simply be re-added.

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I don’t see a major reason to support the removal of even more vehicles creating a ‘what about X vehicle in Y tree that was only ever a prototype/half finished’ etc arguments seeing as the Maus is the example of possibly the most polarizing vehicle to ever exist in this game in terms of playstyle - it’s not the slowest (that would probably go to the T95’s 12.8km/h top speed) tank in the game but it’s possibly one of the largest tanks also weighing 188 tons with a very capable 12.8cm main gun, but without any mobility compared to other vehicles at those BRs.

It’s a very divisive vehicle in that while in the hands of a competent player it can be a one-man army even in full uptiers as well as it being the closest you can get to a moving fortress, but for others it can either feel like a slog due to the slow turning speed (far worse in terms of gameplay experience than the actual speed itself as the Maus holds that 20km/h speed very well across most terrain consistently) of the hull, large size making it an easy target for bombs and chemical rounds/ATGMs/high penetration APDS all posing significant threats to the vehicle.

I personally think it could return properly but I also don’t think it should be in a folder as it’s already been removed and frankly also doesn’t share much with the Jagdtiger aside from it being a 12.8mm using vehicle and it being incredibly heavy - the Maus has far more kit than the Jagdtiger could dream of and plays fairly differently (you can do more than sniping with far less risk) and should if it returns just be where it is just available at any time. It doesn’t have a real place in the tech tree as I don’t see any folder being adequate for holding it and adding it back into the main tree would be dumb as it’s again, a very polarizing vehicle with people who liking it liking it a lot but people who don’t enjoy its playstyle seeing it as a mere roadblock. In the event section and being available once you research up to rank V should mean you can grind it if you want to or skip it entirely if you don’t want it, which I think is how the Maus should be placed in the game.

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This captured MAUS for Russia, will be without an engine, without equipment and will be pulled by a t34 battalion?, of course it will not be able to shoot either because the gun is broken

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Poll doesn’t take into account a no options → not recievable for Gaijin,…

Also,… i don’t want Maus to come back in game, it will not be relevant, as MM aren’t based on historical, but balance system.

Therefore, it would be at Such high BR (as is current one) that it would simply have hard time, so no need to have it back.