What is amusing here is Gaijin actively ignores information they dont agree with.
NATO equipment has been tested in such away that it is usually verifiable through multiple sources, from multiple countries, where as Russian equipment we only have vague public info usually in the form of ads, which after recent conflicts has been shown to mostly be bluster.
But when support tickets were opened about the ammo for the HSTVL with documentation from direct testing, Gaijin came back with a “The ammo couldnt possibly do this” and shut the tickets down, like Gaijin somehow bought the gun and tested it themselves.
Okay. I get your feelings.
However, there are errors with your post’s assessment.
Soviet equipment we have in-game is exclusively based on declassified material, usually from NATO sources, especially in the case of ERA where K1, K5, and Relikt are based on NATO sources entirely. Which is partially why K1 is the worst ERA in the game.
NATO equipment along with classification status causes issues for Gaijin. Especially if we want for example, an accurate Abrams SEP2 turret protection. The numbers aren’t unclassified, the % increase over SEP1 and M1A2 are not unclassified… the two things needed to increase its armor over previous models.
T-90M in-game uses the same exact hull composite as T-72B. Partly cause that’s what it uses IRL, partly because even if we didn’t know that Gaijin would have to pick that hull composite if the information was classified.
All APFSDS rounds in War Thunder are modeled off of the Willi Odermatt formula, a Swiss man’s formula that’s very accurate for estimating things.
This way all APFSDS rounds are treated equally. The only way to change APFSDS metrics is to cite dimensions, and compare those dimensions to how they are in-game.
Gaijin will of course ignore information that isn’t 100% cut and dry.
Mig-29’s thrust curve is incorrect causing the Mig-29 to have lower thrust than it should from ~400kph to ~650kph. Sources are iffy on that and Gaijin shuts down most of thus bug reports.
Abrams turret ring is incorrect, and bar physically measuring it, there’s no source available we can use.
they could just outright say its for balance
but then they add stuff like 2s38 ingame
the fact that they deflect direct military government official documents mean that they can accept anything or reject anything base on their references
even if its accepted they can just “not doing it, accepted? nice, not adding it pal, go away” which is totally a bad thing to do
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2S38 being artificially nerfed by being classed as a light tank instead of a SPAA is not having anyone lose sleep though.
the vehicle itself is quite broken
its good overall on anti tank, air, good thermal, aphe, light tank actually gave it scout drone which is neat and it being quite low in BR compare to hstvl
light tank is justified, the gun doesnt even overheat so
IF the 2S38 had HSTVL mobility and its round, I would agree.
It has neither, which is why I can’t.
Double mobility is a HUGE buff over other light tanks on its own.
Let alone the 2x heavier round penning notably more.
I do get your feelings though.
Im not going to get into a massive drawn out source vs Gaijin battle since that is done daily here, but I will point out a few things things.
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This video outline the issues with both the HSTVL, RDFLT and their ammo. Ture, Gaijin has changed the RDFLT a bit, but it is nowhere near what it should be.
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KH38-MT. Only sources for this seem to be a picture of a possible mock up, and a brochure ad that the company removed years ago. Since the missile hasnt been used in combat, NATO cant have any information on it. So where did the info come from?
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As far as the ERA information, and it may just be me, but I have yet to locate anything about testing done outside of the manufacturer. If NATO got ahold of the genuine article and tested it I cant find any info about it. Also, Gaijin doesn’t portray ERA correctly. Given how ERA works, a plain high explosive shell would set off most of the ERA panels on the front of a T series tank, but in game only the panel hit, if hit directly, or also the panel next to it if hit on the edge.
Also, given how most, including RELIKT, Russian ERA works, .50cal rounds while maybe not destroying the ERA panel outright with a single shot, would be able to damage it to a point the ERA wouldnt function correctly.
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Let me also add that stat hasn’t changed since December (took a screenshot) and 5-6 months prior to December (wish I took a screenshot) it still stayed the same.
Make of that what you will.
Edit: shark stats is now taking snapshots of player stats. This means you can look at a vehicle’s specific stats at a certain time.
this crashed my Web browser. what have i created?
This is true, though it can be difficult to find official information on penetrator dimensions and mass, it’s the only real passable way for apfsds rounds to be fixed.
This isn’t out of bias or lack of belief in the provided material. It’s been due to lack of necessary complete official information to properly calculate the penetration of the round. Taking estimated measurements off of images just isn’t feasible, due to lense distortion and parallax, among other things.
To answer someone else, yes I submitted the information a while back, though I need to edit it a bit soon to refine it and bring it in line with US penetrator designs of the 1972-1980 period.
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Bringing this thread back.
Does anyone know why the HSTVL can’t operate with one crew member aside from the commander? From what I understand, the driver and gunner can both drive, shoot and use the commander (hunter/killer) view. I’d like to see this added to the game.
Same with the RDFLT. Both the driver and gunner can operate and shoot the main gun. The hunter/killer system is missing as well (commander view) It can rotate independently from the turret.
Does the RDFLT have it’s own gun optic or is it just the hunter/killer system?
Are the smoke grenades ever coming for the RDF?
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Because the driver likely has no gunner controls.
The TVs that the gunner, driver and commander use can all display the gunsight output, commander optic output or driver camera output. They all have controls that can manipulate the turret, gun and hull when needed.
RDF/LT and HSTV-L are the sole two turreted tanks that actually should remain combat capable with only one crew remaining.
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I thought the commander didn’t have driving controls, sweet. Hey @Conraire think you can look into this a bit further?
the driver cannot operate the gun; they can likely see the gunners view but they cannot operate the gun, however true information is likely classified since the army still has the HSTVL in “storage” but its in bad shape
Yes the driver, commander and gunner can shoot. They did testing with a Commander/gunner and a Commander/driver setup.
“being developed”, it’s not relevant to the final iteration of the HSTVL, if you can provide an updated source that was created after its completion, that would be a different story
Brake pedal has a bar extending across to both the driver and gunner
Gunner’s joystick
Both driver and gunner get the same video sources
Driver’s tv screen removed but goes in that box
Driver’s side
Gunner’s controls
Commanders controls
Full video is here, guy did a nice job looking inside the HSTVL. Wish he did more around the driver’s area
Current photo of the RDFLT with smoke launchers
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I also noticed this, about 25.4mm of homogeneous armor and 25.4mm of aluminum. Notice the difference of coloration, the homogeneous armor is a bit rusty and the aluminum has pitting. Gaijin got that down pretty darn well!
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Hey all, I found that there is a AAI penetrator from ADA058596. If we look at older documentation, it is mentioned that the AAI penetrator was named directly in the Darpa to Stoner document. I did some calculations. The muzzle penetration should be correct but I used AI to scale the original table to get the new numbers.
Penetrator weight = 1.36KG
Projectile weight = 2.39KG
15.38 - .62 = 14.76"
379/2 at 60 Degrees at 10m = 190mm
379/1.15 at 30 Degrees at 10m = 330mm
379/1 at 0 Degrees at 10m = 379mm
Original
Dev server
XM885 should be renamed AAI Penetrator
Let me know if I missed anything. Thanks
Seems like this post is getting ignored too
Yup, silence
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