Never said anything about the Abrams? the Object 435 is aa MBT, are you just ignoring what im typing or are you stupid?
HSTVL’s round causes armor spalling 2x as much, and pens 22% more than 2S38’s round.
HSTVL has double the mobility over Begleitpanzer and 2S38 which share mobility.
HSTVL’s the fastest tracked vehicle in the game.
The Russians could never come up with something anywhere as close to HSTVL; partly because of how much HSTVL costs.
worse fire rate, significantly less rounds, 2S38 Gen 3 thermals so on and so on, Its a vehicle from 2023 and Gaijin thinks its OK to have it at 10.3 while people grinding the US tree have to suffer with a 76mm round that has a worse fire rate which has been proven to be 1 second and not 1.5, as well as a round with worse pen than M735 while being significantly more modern. Do you really think the designers of the HSTVL would make a round that has worse pen than a prototype round from the early 70s (M735)??
And its been proven over and over and over again that XM885 is under performing
And Gaijin’s response is to add a RDFLT ( HSTVL Derivative) that compleately fixes that lack of ammo issue with the small cost of reduced mobility for a Wopping 70 USD. Except that XM885 is still dog water and Im guessing they are finally going to buff it to try to sell more RDFLTs because the round will be more useable to get kills
Your defense of 2S38 is noted and refuted with the following posts.
1- Fire rate of this caliber only matters against aircraft.
2- Amount of rounds of that caliber only matters against aircraft. Who’s using more than 30 rounds of APFSDS in any of these tanks? Besides players that don’t aim…
3- Thermal generation doesn’t dictate BR.
4- Year is irrelevant, also it’s from 2020 the same year as Leopard 2PL.
Type 16P is from 2016 firing M735.
If you’re getting 13 frags a match in HSTVL [running out of ammo], then you’re doing fine.
If you’re running out of ammo without even 8 frags, then your experience isn’t honed.
The round’s performance is correct in-game as proven via the Willi formula. It may or may not be misnamed, but misnaming something is common in War Thunder, especially for experimental systems.
In my HSTVL I’ve yet to see less than 13 rounds left in my tank, and I played a match where I fragged 5 tanks and 1 Mi-24.
And just curious how many games do you have played with the Hstvl
Enough to have spent over 3 hours in it, and over 50 hours in the type of tank it is so I know how to use it.
If you’re about to claim people need to no-life the game to have an opinion, I’m just going to ignore that post.
Was just curious as to your amount of experience with it. I agree with most of what you have to say towards it I just don’t understand the blatant hostility towards anyone who dares disagree with you
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he played a total of 22 games
ive play WAY MORE and im telling you, all of his “facts” are wrong
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I’ve seen other posts it seems his only goal is to rage bait people claiming to have the only worthy opinion and his sources “bro trust me”
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oh careful now
@BRLQI-live
Thanks for warning us that you’re only here to bait players and claim you’re the only one with worthy opinion.
I have zero hostility toward anyone, and your hostility toward myself and other HSTVL players is sad.
But yeah, I have enough experience in it to currently have 2:1 KDR and good scouting for my teams while stock.
If it’s on-par with 2S38 BR for BR, I’ll likely end up around 1.04:1 KDR as I use it more.
I’m not great at the auto-light playstyle, HSTVL is just carrying me a bit.
Thanks! Did you pass along your findings already and are those dev server changes the result?
I will keep defending NATO equipment from lies and slander, I’ll keep criticizing War Thunder where it’s inaccurate.
I’ll keep playing HSTVL because it’s fun.
What is amusing here is Gaijin actively ignores information they dont agree with.
NATO equipment has been tested in such away that it is usually verifiable through multiple sources, from multiple countries, where as Russian equipment we only have vague public info usually in the form of ads, which after recent conflicts has been shown to mostly be bluster.
But when support tickets were opened about the ammo for the HSTVL with documentation from direct testing, Gaijin came back with a “The ammo couldnt possibly do this” and shut the tickets down, like Gaijin somehow bought the gun and tested it themselves.
Okay. I get your feelings.
However, there are errors with your post’s assessment.
Soviet equipment we have in-game is exclusively based on declassified material, usually from NATO sources, especially in the case of ERA where K1, K5, and Relikt are based on NATO sources entirely. Which is partially why K1 is the worst ERA in the game.
NATO equipment along with classification status causes issues for Gaijin. Especially if we want for example, an accurate Abrams SEP2 turret protection. The numbers aren’t unclassified, the % increase over SEP1 and M1A2 are not unclassified… the two things needed to increase its armor over previous models.
T-90M in-game uses the same exact hull composite as T-72B. Partly cause that’s what it uses IRL, partly because even if we didn’t know that Gaijin would have to pick that hull composite if the information was classified.
All APFSDS rounds in War Thunder are modeled off of the Willi Odermatt formula, a Swiss man’s formula that’s very accurate for estimating things.
This way all APFSDS rounds are treated equally. The only way to change APFSDS metrics is to cite dimensions, and compare those dimensions to how they are in-game.
Gaijin will of course ignore information that isn’t 100% cut and dry.
Mig-29’s thrust curve is incorrect causing the Mig-29 to have lower thrust than it should from ~400kph to ~650kph. Sources are iffy on that and Gaijin shuts down most of thus bug reports.
Abrams turret ring is incorrect, and bar physically measuring it, there’s no source available we can use.
they could just outright say its for balance
but then they add stuff like 2s38 ingame
the fact that they deflect direct military government official documents mean that they can accept anything or reject anything base on their references
even if its accepted they can just “not doing it, accepted? nice, not adding it pal, go away” which is totally a bad thing to do
2S38 being artificially nerfed by being classed as a light tank instead of a SPAA is not having anyone lose sleep though.
the vehicle itself is quite broken
its good overall on anti tank, air, good thermal, aphe, light tank actually gave it scout drone which is neat and it being quite low in BR compare to hstvl
light tank is justified, the gun doesnt even overheat so