RDF-LT and HSTVL

The HSTV-L and RDF/LT Guns being renamed to the 75mm ADMAG isn’t necessarily a bad thing or incorrect. From what I can find in other documents not listed in that report, the XM274 was only mounted on the MC-LAV prototype, and a slim chance of it being mounted on a later version of the RDF/LT with a remote controlled Turret.

However, I do agree that there are performance issues with the current implementation of the APFSDS ammo for the gun in game.

The information here is from Documents dated June 1978, and October 1975, which means this data is from well before the XM274 even entered prototyping phase in the 1984/85 time frame. But, well within the 75mm ADMAG testing time frame.


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Keep in mind certain values are under the assumption that for example, the penetrator length runs from approximately the back of the nose cone to near the end of the fin assembly as none of these rounds are listed as having tracers. Also keep in mind that the Flight diameter would be different from the penetrator mean diameter for L-O as the flight diameter would also include Buttress thread diameter. Or in some cases nose cone diameter, and does not account for the variable diameter of the actual penetrator.

Note that the DARPA Memo also mentions performance similar to the 105mm rounds in development at the time. The AAI Penetrator shows similar performance to the initial XM735 Prototype from 1973/74. The memo also mentions a 105mm round with a muzzle velocity of 4820ft/s or 1469m/s, given the time period and velocity, this would most likely be XM735E1.

Figure 6/A, The AAI Penetrator, most likely to be the aforementioned projectile with 2lb penetrator going by the listed in flight mass. Which means it should have a Muzzle Velocity of 5450ft/s or 1661m/s according to the DARPA Memo.

AAI Projectile Details

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Property Calibers inches mm
Projectile Length 15.38 12.47 316.7
Projectile Ø Flight 1.0 .811 20.6
~Penetrator Length~ 12.78 10.364 263.26
Fin Assembly Diameter 2.61 2.1167 53.76
Fin Assembly Length 2.46 1.995 50.67
Nose Cone Length 2.6 2.108 53.54
Mass Properties lbs. kg
Mass as Fired
Mass in Flight 3.04 1.38
Mass of Penetrator 2.0 .907
Penetrator L-O mm
Length Total 260
Ø Mean 15.45
Length Frustum 0
Ø Frustum Tip End 0
Property Penetrator Target
Material DU Staballoy Steel
Mat Type U-0.75%Ti RHA
Density 18,600kg/m3 7,850kg/m3
RHA BHN 260
Velocity Decay ft/s m/s
1st km 292 89
Per extra km 289 88
Velocity @ Rng ft/s m/s
Muzzle 5450 1661
100m 5420 1652
500m 5302 1616
1000m 5158 1572
1500m 5013 1528
2000m 4869 1484
Pen @ Rng (mm) Vert 30° 60°
Muzzle 265 237 155
100m 264 236 154
500m 260 233 152
1000m 255 228 149
1500m 249 223 145
2000m 243 217 142

Figures 3 and 4 for AAAC-II are listed in ADA058596 as that of a previous design, again given the time period, that would likely make it the first iteration of the 3lb penetrator design mentioned in the DARPA memo with a muzzle velocity of 5250ft/s or 1600m/s. The in flight mass listed in both ADA diagrams seems to back this up. The projectile flight diameter listed for these variants is also explained as being that of the Nose Cone/Windshield, which is larger than the main body diameter.

AAAC-II Projectile Datails

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Property Calibers inches mm
Projectile Length 18.34 16.689 423.9
Projectile Ø Flight 1.0 0.91 23.114
~Penetrator Length~ 15.61 14.205 360.81
Fin Assembly Diameter 2.418 2.2 55.88
Fin Assembly Length 4.12 3.749 95.229
Nose Cone Length 2.73 2.484 63.101
Mass Properties lbs. kg
Mass as Fired
Mass in Flight 4.19 1.9
Mass of Penetrator 3.00 1.36
Penetrator L-O mm
Length Total 360
Ø Mean 16.08
Length Frustum 0
Ø Frustum Tip End 0
Property Penetrator Target
Material DU Staballoy Steel
Mat Type U-0.75%Ti RHA
Density 18,600kg/m3 7,850kg/m3
RHA BHN 260
Velocity Decay ft/s m/s
1st km 280 85
Per extra km 276 84
Velocity @ Rng ft/s m/s
Muzzle 5250 1600
100m 5222 1592
500m 5110 1557
1000m 4970 1515
1500m 4832 1473
2000m 4694 1431
Pen @ Rng (mm) Vert 30° 60°
Muzzle 335 300 196
100m 334 299 195
500m 328 294 192
1000m 321 287 187
1500m 313 280 183
2000m 305 273 178

More to be added later…

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I stick with my previous statement had the HSTV-L or RDF-LT turned into a production tank it would have received the XM274. But during teating IDK I don’t have one sitting next to me so it’s all speculation from me.

gotta love how two got denied for nonsensical reasons

“It’s not a bug. All similar vehicles have similar DM. In case of the Pantsir it’s an actual armor that protects ammo.” literally saying we dont care, this russian thing has it so HSTVL has to

and another denied based on an iffy bug report saying that the gun designation was wrong even though it seems to be that the gun was redesignated to XM247 with no changes, so its just an excuse to not buff it

and im guessing AAAC-III which is delta 3 has the pen of m774
i hope they atleast add delta 2 tbh

Hey Conraire, any updates to this? Now would be a good time to get it implemented with the new update coming out

New changes with the new update, XM885 got buffed in pen up to 500 meters, but it was nerfed past that

xm885 changes

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Nothing that I can see officially, other than the minor thing from Dev server posted above. Even that is subject to change.

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M735, when is it going to be fixed?

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So the Yak 141 gets stuff it never had, but he HSTLV which has more proof that it fired a better round, can’t get its round???

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HSTV-L is a balancing rather than historical decision, Yak-141 is a prototype so has to be treated differently to all other existing vehicle. It is like Ho229, which might have barely flown, but we want to have it in game.

Said round would make it BR 12.0 - 12.3 depending on performance.
HSTVL is also a completed prototype, and not comparable to Kikka and Yak-141.
HSTVL is comparable to Object 435.

you missed the point the yak 141 is a prototype that has stuff it never had, it isn’t a real vehicle, the HSTVL is a complete prototype that has enough information proving what its fired, but it doesn’t get it.

Its like the KH38MT is still in the game, even though there is 0 proof hat its even a weapon used.

Exactly, 2S38 needs to be moved to 11.7 then the prem noobs can feel what we are feeling when our round pens but does no damage

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Kikka and Yak-141 are not completed prototypes, they are not comparable to HSTVL and Abrams.

@Dragon_Storm_246 wants to move Begleit to 10.7 and HSTVL to 12.7 or they’re shilling for Russian equipment…

HSTVL has no armor, and it has been proven that its round is underperforming so I dont know what ur on about

Never said anything about the Abrams? the Object 435 is aa MBT, are you just ignoring what im typing or are you stupid?

HSTVL’s round causes armor spalling 2x as much, and pens 22% more than 2S38’s round.
HSTVL has double the mobility over Begleitpanzer and 2S38 which share mobility.
HSTVL’s the fastest tracked vehicle in the game.

The Russians could never come up with something anywhere as close to HSTVL; partly because of how much HSTVL costs.

worse fire rate, significantly less rounds, 2S38 Gen 3 thermals so on and so on, Its a vehicle from 2023 and Gaijin thinks its OK to have it at 10.3 while people grinding the US tree have to suffer with a 76mm round that has a worse fire rate which has been proven to be 1 second and not 1.5, as well as a round with worse pen than M735 while being significantly more modern. Do you really think the designers of the HSTVL would make a round that has worse pen than a prototype round from the early 70s (M735)??

And its been proven over and over and over again that XM885 is under performing

And Gaijin’s response is to add a RDFLT ( HSTVL Derivative) that compleately fixes that lack of ammo issue with the small cost of reduced mobility for a Wopping 70 USD. Except that XM885 is still dog water and Im guessing they are finally going to buff it to try to sell more RDFLTs because the round will be more useable to get kills