also if we can go extra mile and count in the premiums/event/squadron vehicles, we get 26 additional unique vehicles. - counting Merkava Mk.I. and Mk.3D as Phoenix RXO explained them being unique, and not counting M46 Tiger, Wolfpack and Click-bait as they are “just a reskins”, nor Magach 3 nor Mk. 2B (because im not actually quite sure how they differ from israeli vehicles).
The F-111s also exist in the british tree but with slightly changed ord as well, that and the P-63s being called unique when they are famously used in Russia is rather funny, we just going to omit that there is a P-63 given out every year from the Russian tree?
Would add the A-4B to the list as well as pretty much every level of the A-4 exists within the Israeli tree, the F-104s are similar, they are just duplicated, inferior versions to what exists in other trees.
Having inferior performance does not make the aircraft “Unique”, it just makes it worse, it still exists in other trees.
Only because of Gaijin fiat, for example the MiG-23 ML gets additional countermeasures because Syrian airframes were later modified to the MLA configuration.
As seen with the German F-4F (among others) lacking any particular store in inventory isn’t enough.
And the F-8E’s were delivered to France with the IRST installed, but it was removed prior to entry into service, as the blister can be seen by the cover photo for the F-8E-FN’s manual.
See above.
Only due to it being a USN F-4J, not one used by the USMC. the SUU-16 / -23 remained a capability the issue is that the additional size of the pod caused issues with a potential ground Strike in an emergency Carrier landing (due to added margin for Decent rate) and so was only permitted when taking off from an airfield.
That is the issue though, much of the issues are caused by Gaijin holding the US Aircraft to arbitrary configurations for BR purposes or to permit a future addition. or favoring one in particular over the other for whatever reason, or not adding intervening configurations. that would otherwise be similar to others that exist in game.
as much as i agree with you otherwise, fact is that were currently stuck with “arbitrary configurations” whenever we like it or not and as such, these “arbitrary configurations” must be currently taken into account whenever deciding on uniqueness of a plane.
The research tree alone is almost an entire third of copy-paste’s to other nations, While the only copy-paste they have from another country in return is just the Skink.
For a “major nation” they are not that unique until you get to top tier.
They also passed giving more copy-paste’s that you have marked green such as the Abrams so its only a matter of time before those are taken too.
Its hilarious how people just see the US tree as a pinata for free copy-paste’s but the American tree isn’t allowed to get stuff from other countries without a civil war starting even if its something they had a direct hand in creating like the M1A1 AIM(Brit mains threw a fit over it and still do to this day) or how people argue how the US shouldn’t get the South Korean tanks they co-designed but its fine for nations like Germany to get several sub nations while being LARGER by 20+ vehicles.
Also to add, People on these forums constantly whine about how many prototypes the US gets in their research tree, Curiously those just so happen to be the bulk of the “unique” tanks they have, Almost as if people cannot stand the idea that the US tree has something that cant be copy-pasted to 7 other nations.
B-57A (Canberra bomber), F-8E, AV-8C (first gen harrier), late model P-47, P-63’s, P-38’s, P-39’s, late model mustangs, F-16A ADF, F-16C, F-15A, F-15C, F-4J, A-4, Sabres, B-17, late model Corsairs, SB2C
So when are the US mains gonna scream for the F-18C but with A2G, its a model they used. Guess it should be 14.0, referring to the 1994 model without HMS but with 402 engines.
Also the Russian P39 shouldn’t have ap rounds on the 37mm as ap was never a exported ammo but im not gomna bother trying to find the docs for something i know has been bug reported and probably left on accepted for years
So, what would the graph look like if we just go by the base of the aircraft. Like obviously a p51 from 3.7 will be different to 5.7 but it’s still the same plane, just upgraded.
If we throw away armament and how an aircraft is played due to what its given. (CM and missiles) How many unique aircraft are there?
Again i didnt go in depth with rank I to rank III so there might be more unique variants i didnt mark and these ranks are mostly filled by vehicles US gave away during or right after WW2. For the sake of this argument id look those ranks separately.
With that being said, youre being quite dishonest, at least when it comes to US ground.
Until these get added, Abrams tanks are unique, theres no way around this. Abrams is still found in single TT unlike for example Leopard 2.
And some vehicles are “passed to developers for years” before they get added.
“If we discount what makes the plane unique how many unique planes aew there?”
I dont know if its something in water but you people do realize this is mental gymnastics?
Worse yet, even if we wanted to apply this logic, it would be applies both ways, ie. other nations would need to be considered by this metric too, which would probably show that they have even less unique planes than the US.
The “same plane just upgraded” comment is especially devastating. Different kit means different playstyle. Different BR means facing different enemies. “Same plane just upgraded” absolutely dismiss this as unimportant.
Like right off the bat - different Bf109 and Fw190 variants are found in different TTs but since they are all the same planes but upgraded - voila - germany has no unique Bf109 or Fw190! Doesnt that sound absurd?
Well i mean it basically is, The final version of the p51 is the best version of the p51 base. Sure it’s unique in the fact that it can actually turn fight while not in a dive. But it’s still a p51 at the end of the day. Any zero/spit will still out turn it if they know how to fly.
Same goes for the 109 and 190’s. Not saying their good or bad but they all functionally are the same.
But yea, I did generalize a bit too much. Things like the me262 and kikka are somewhat unique in that regard.
I guess from my pov, if it doesn’t change the actual aircraft much (Like the A-10 early, A-late and C or the m1a2, Sep 1, Sep 2) then its not worth saying their unique. Just a slightly better/worse version of their previous model.