Ok so IK im gonna sound like a regular USA main but I don’t care because i’ve tried not talking about it. But sense this last update there has been multiple cases of USA Aircraft being added to other trees and being straight better. I’ve made bug reports on flares/chaff for the US F-18 and F-16 and they all have been canceled. Now stuff like the NF-5N is straight better than the F-5c which is already broken at the same BR it’s honestly better than the F-5E. The new german F-18 premium has almost 800 kgf than the american one. It’s this little stuff here and there that add up. Am I missing something?
Another big thing is the countermeasure on the top tier US fighters but that is another rant.
But at last this topic is gonna go nowhere because i’m just another complaining american man, i’ll delete this if im proven wrong in my first statement but until then at least look at the obvious differences.
It’s simple: America just makes the planes and then sells said planes to other countries. Those countries improve said plane to better fit their doctrine. America will have a bunch of F-16As in storage, then they will sell it to another country, the country will then switch out stuff (with permission) so then they can use their own stuff with the F-16A.
While I’m not experienced in the intricacies of the top tier, the whole export thing is natural for the USSR and USA.
Every main nation in game has and is exporting defence equipment, some of which is then further improved. The main thing is that the USA and USSR were able to churn out more vehicles and over time, export more on both strategic and commercial grounds.
There definitely will be vehicles solely for the USA including prototypes, some ship classes and more
aircrafts are bit iffy because IIRC some aircrafts are meant to represent aircraft as it was during certain period of time.
So you get F/A-18C early which is worse than the swiss premium hornet but the 18C early is meant to represent Hornets as they were during the gulf war whereas the swiss hornet is in much later configuration.
Bug fixes that affect only U.S aircraft in the American tree should be fixed. E.g the F-15C should be roughly 400 kilograms lighter similarly to the F-15JM and even then the Japanese one would be better because AAM-3
The US being the biggest NATO supplier seems to bite them in the ass in game since whenever new stuff is added to the US most nato nations get it at the same time, but when these nations receive new stuff the US just kinda gets nothing since they either didnt use it or Had something better in service already that the devs dont wanna put in the game.
this is why i secondarily main Russia since they keep at lot of there best stuff in that tree only. Other nations cant get the kh38mt if we don’t even know if its real.
This one is more fair, less ground strike ordinance only stuff its used irl being GBU’s and only 1 missile Finland never used being aim 9L. But in exchange it gets BOL in place of having horrible CAS. But still doesn’t excuse the F-18C being 14.0 lol especially when its the worst hornet in game.
I think its more of a bussiness strategy by gaijin. Since most people have finished the us tec tree by now. So they need to incentivise them to grind a new tec-tree. The easiest way to do that is just to power-creep the current vehicle. Kinda like how most gacha game powercreep older characters with newer ones. However I think this should change as usa would be unplayable in the future (since aim9x is worse then irist or aim120d is worse then meteor). Since currently I do think the devolper hate usa specifically seen as how they treated the slamraam and aim120c-5. But then they were the faviourt for some time so its fair to let other nations take the spotlight.
I do have to dissagree with this. Since there need to be some balance toward vehicle regardless of how it is irl. I mean irl when eurofighter and rafale came to be the usa had f22. But we don’t release the f22 ingame with them since that would completely break the game. The same can go for us vehicle in other trees. We can simply just give them the initial variant or at least trade-off so its not a straight upgrade from the usa vehicles. I do think it is unfair that only usa suffer for this (germany don’t really count since leopard 2a7v is only in another tree and a 50cal is like not that impactful at top tier, strv 122 is a side grade and I think that is healthy for the game).
Yes, of course, but imagine having a worse performing aircraft (that your nation designed) that the another nation when there is historical evidence of it being wrong. Don’t get me wrong, i fully support fixing bugs and listening to bug reports, I’ve just replied on the topic
I will just chime in with my unsolicited opinion here.
warthunder is live game, one that is updated constantly, and goes through changes.
before jan 2024, top tier for ARB was what, 12.0? Then we got 12.7 in jan 2024 BR changes and now were at 14.0.
Top tier was F-16ADF vs. Mig-29, now its EFT vs. Rafele vs. Su-30SM. if we want to go deeper, at one point top tier was F-4E vs. Mig-21bis. So on so forth.
The updates to BRs arent as frequent as needed (and they are very much needed. and we can only speculate as to why it isnt happening more often), but they are there.
So i wouldnt say warthunder has “powercreep” in traditional sense like youd have in gacha games. There you usually have max level for your units/heroes and max rarity and game cant go above that. So new heroes get better skills/mechanics while keeping the same max level and rarity as the old ones. Of course old units are powercrept hard in such enviroment.
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Warthunders “powercreep” isnt like that, since max BR can be raised, and vehicles BR changed. What might seem like powercrept vehicle now might become really enjoyable further down the line.
To give an example, i unlocked MiG-21Bis SAU when the top tier was MiG-29/F-16 ADF and I have played it only few times because i simply didnt want to go against F-16s in a MiG-21. Ive only played it properly once we got decompression and what do you know, its a great plane.
I suspect the same will be the case once i get to something like F-15A. Currently being 13.0 with Sparrows i dont think i will play more than one or two games with it, but once it doesnt get sucked into the 14.0 fun zone, i will probably play it a lot.
My question is why doesn’t USA tech tree also get stuff from other countries cause irl we help develop some of the tech and use it but we don’t get them in game?
