What t model had datalink? None of them from my understanding
Video about the Magic-2
Except you are forgetting 2 things.
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The Magic II has a highly potent HOBS ability that excels in short range dogfighting. Where as the Aim-9M doesnt work below 1-1.5km range and cannot be used at all in HOBS.
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the IRCCM on the Aim-9M only works under specific conditions and not at all in front aspect.
if Aim-9M vs Magic II is ever going to be considered balanced, then Aim-9M needs its IRL lock ranges. Make it the better non-dogfighting IR and leave the magic II as the better dogifghting IR missile. What you’ve just done is prove the Magic II is actually stronger than the Aim-9M in the one theatre that the Aim-9M should be clearly better as the Magic II even has a superior lock range.
Also the Aim-9M only has 3km lock range vs AB targets.
Has a report ever been submitted for the Magic II lock ranges?
Video kinda proves my point. Aim-9M fired at that angle/range would have missed
same for Magic-2,…
it’s a shorter range missile,
9M’s are made for pursuit shots.
Either from my understanding, as i said, control module is unified. Sure missiles come pre-assembled from factory but they are assembled from exactly same modules. If i understand correctly R-27R\ER even could be launched from soft lock like an ARH missile but will require hard lock at the final stage of flight, similar to R-33.
Again, kinda proving my point. Aim-9M getting better lock ranges would be the single biggest buff it can get without adding its missing forms of IRCCM.
One of the biggest imbalances between Rafale and everything else bar soviet aircraft is that it has HOBS IR and ARH missiles. Most nations dont have either. Buffing the none-HOBS aspects of the Aim-9M (i.e lock range) allowing for longer ranged shots would help a lot.
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Not DOA if it gets AMRAAMs which it was compatible with.
Yes,… but why would you use a missile that is NOT designed as HOBS, in a HOBS situation?
the AIM-9M works way better than Magic-2 in it’s DESIGNED area of use,…
so i feel weird to wanna compare 2 missiles that are made for 2 different approach?
AIM-9M is made for pursuit kills
Magic-2 is made for short range turning kills
still DOA in my PoV, since it’s Flight performances ain’t much improved, and it will end-up like the F4F ICE, only relying on Fox-3’s for good game results.
Again, you are kinda proving my point here.
Typhoon and many other jets DO NOT HAVE ANY HOBS.
We currently lack our ASRAAM/IRIS-T/Aim-9X, etc etc.
So we are forced to use a non-dogfighting missile as our dogfighting missile against aircraft with a dogfighting missiles. Which goes a long way to helping the Rafale be so dominant.
Exactly. Which is why giving it IRL lock ranges would be a huge buff. Magic II has gotten multiple buffs so far that have directly buffed it in its best theatre. Aim-9M hasnt gotten a single buff since its introduction (I think) lock ranges would be a major buff and would go a long wya to balancing the differences between Aim-9M and Magic II.
Again, proving my point here. Ideally, everyone would have Magic II level weapons, but those have been denied.
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Spoiler
The main method is proportional guidance with offset
Also datalink reconnect is NOT a thing irl
бортовой комплекс САМОЛЕТОВОЖДЕНИЯ, ПРИЦЕЛИВАНИЯ И УПРАВЛЕНИЯ ВООРУЖЕНИЕМ САМОЛЕТА МиГ-29Б (СУВ-29Э и сопрягаемые системы
Check this. Its a bit long and you’ll need to use yandex.
R74m2 uses a different method in order to achieve datalink
Point is r27et and r27er does not have datalink the same way r74m2 does or r77m
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MICA-IR would be Asraam/IRIS-T/AIM-9X Level, which are IIR, not IR+IRCCM
The Magic-2 have been designed and made in between AIM-9L/AIM-9M
And it have been designed with a different intent.
From my PoV, you’re willing to integrate missiles 15-20 years more recent to counter another one that is in advance on it’s time, thanks to it’s design?
Fair enough, but if i understand correctly you still can lobe an ET from much greater range via radar lock with seeker lock after the launch.
You are completely missing my point.
Rafale is OP. There are many factors to that. Including the fact it has missiles better designed for the type of combat currently found in War Thunder.
Of course ASRAAM would come with MICA-IR. Though I would still argue that would be far far more balanced than what we have now and assumeing they have lock rnage limits for ASRAAM and MICA-IR. ASRAAM would have notable advantages over the MICA-IR. But that is irrelevant for here and now.
The point is. Despite being vastly weaker than the Magic II in an actual dogfight, the Magic II has once again recieved multiple buffs and the Aim-9M hasnt even gotten its IRL lock ranges. Despite a 3 year old bug report and it apparently being bumped a few times over those said years. The only conclusion has to be that the devs are artificially limiting the lock ranges for the Aim-9M for some reason.
Aim-9M is weaker than the Magic II. And yet even the most basic bug report to buff the Aim-9M, like lock ranges, arent being implemented. Magic II has gotten several buffs this year already
Likewise for the MICA-EM. Its gotten a buff nearly every single major update this year and there are reports from the Fox-3 playtest 18 months ago that still havent been fixed yet.
The Typhoon still has a HUD that is squished and a number of ohter miscelleanous bug reports that have been sat accepted for 6-9 months that havent been touched yet, let alone more major bug reports, but the Rafale just got a massive FM buff from a report submitted a little over 2 weeks ago.
can you see why people are mad about the Rafale?
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Except it’s not a Phantom… It’s an F-14 which can go toe to toe with F-15s and F-16s if you know what you’re doing. Great RB flightmodel, 700 chaff/flares, Great Radar, best IRST in the game, Anti-countermeasure Phoenix, up to 8x Aim-120s while still getting 2x Aim-9M (maybe 4). Basically a better F-15E/C for RB.
did it get any radar upgrade? If not, then the F-14s dont have that good of a radar.
Really?
Hu? They are the easiest ARH to defeat.
So an F-14 at 14.0. Not sure it would be all that good
the report you’re giving is comparing a study from AIM-9L un-chirped to the in-game AIM-9M, on the basis that AIM-9M have improved seeker compared to AIM-9L
(sadly on reports, we have no access to sources)
and it have been accepted “as a suggestion”
But from what i’ve seen, early AIM-9M does use the exact same AN/DSQ-29, with the add-on given to be IRCCM system.
i don’t know what is the exact AIM-9M variant we have in-game, but unless the AIM-9M in game is a M-8 or M-9, using guidance section (WGU-4E/B), and AOTD (DSU-15B/B), the value are currently correct.
weaker in turnfighting,… not weaker in straight chase configurations.