You must be francophobic because you didn’t also suggest the 600km+ ranged ramjet Stratus-RS for France too. How dare you /s XD
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this is a skill issue i get around 3 kills a game and have hit 50km shots with the mica easily
it’s simply a matter of informing a person about the mechanics in the game
im uncertain how to read this or what im looking at
prolly he means recently or maybe specific to the rafale
i dont play the rafale often lately idk what that screen means :(
He’s pointing out that while you claimed to get 3 kills per game in the Rafale, you only actually get 1 kill per game
Why does this defeat that argument?
If the argument had no merit then you would expect the other Eurofighters to have similar statistics.
There is a greater divergence in statistics between the Italian Eurofighter and the British Eurofighter than there is between the British Eurofighter and the Rafale.
Because the better vehicle that is carrying other vehicles are the ones that should have the better stats, it’s the whole reason why they’re even able to raise its teammates’ statistics.
No you wouldn’t, the German Eurofighters are played more by those who grinded 14.7 for the first time than those who play British Eurofighters percentage-wise. Germany, US, and Russia are considered more of a starter nation than the UK while for the majority of players they grind UK after they have finished one or multiple starter nations. A greater proportion of players flying the British Eurofighters are those who already have multiple 14.7s relative to the players flying the German Eurofighter, and that gets reflected statistically.
The more likely answer is that experienced players are playing both the British Eurofighter and the Rafale.
It’s not a case of French and Brit mains are just more skilled, it’s just that relatively more people grind France and UK as their third or fourth nations after they have gotten done with their beginner nations.
I do not think that it does. If that were the case then you would see better statistics from other versions of the same plane.
Italian Eurofighter exists and it performs worse than the British one in spite of being identical and being in a “minor” nation. I don’t think the British laser warning receiver is the decisive factor here.
It’s because of how each are being used. The Italian Eurofighter is being used more as a ground RB vehicle while the British Eurofighter is being used more as an air rb vehicle, with the Italian Eurofighter having 38% more ground kills despite similar/less playrate as the British Eurofighter. Playing it as a ground RB vehicle naturally leads to less air K/D and air KPS.
You could argue that the Italian AESA eurofighter is slightly better than the British one due to AIM-9L/i (this is air RB only) which can sometimes bait people into thinking it’s not actually a 9M thanks to smoke motor
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The Rafale has .4 ground kills per battle.
The British Eurofighter has .23 ground kills per battle.
The Italian Eurofighter has .36 ground kills per battle.
In spite of the Rafale being used to an even greater extent in terms of ground kills per battle…it still performs better in air-to-air terms than the Italian Eurofighter. This is while having over twice as many played games which should correspond to a less experienced player-base.
If all of these planes were equal and the deciding factor was how prevalent their air to ground usage was then you would expect the British Eurofighter to have the highest air ranking, followed by the Italian Eurofighter, followed by the Rafale. That is not the case and rely undermines your whole pet theory.
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Several counter-arguments:
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It may be that the Rafale does better than the Italian Typhoon in ground RB due to its better overall air to ground kit which could result in higher kill ratio for the Rafale as the AASM Hammers can be deployed up to Mach 1.4 while the SPICE bombs are only able to be deployed up to Mach 1. The AASM also has a much higher explosive mass than the SPICE bombs that the Typhoons carry (87kg versus 28kg).
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It may be that the Italian Typhoon is used with air to ground loadouts more in air rb than the Rafale is, we have no way of differentiating this as the Statshark team won’t allow us to see purely air or ground RB stats. We have a mixture of these two.
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Even when Typhoons and Rafales are in a situation where both carry the maximum air to ground loadouts and are ground pounding in air rb, the Rafale carries a better air to air kit with 6 MICAs while the Typhoon has 4 AIM-120s and 2 AIM-9s.
Yes and again, this could be explained by the Rafale maintaining a better air to air kit when both the Typhoon and Rafale take the maximum air to ground loadouts.
When it comes to sim games though, do you wanna give your thoughts on what’s going on with the Rafale and its competitors there though while taking into account ground kills and etc? @FeetPics
Seems something interesting is going on there that could explain how Rafale is not the vehicle people want to portray it as.
These arguments are all very tenuous considering the average ground kills per battle of each plane is relatively low. There are air-to-ground kits for the Typhoon that do not sacrifice any air-to-air ability so this argument on quality of kit is a moot point.
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Su-30SM2 is more popular in sim and British Eurofighter is normally on opposite team. Also there are people that are switching to British Eurofighter to more consistently “punish” red side tourists that switched sides once Su-30SM2 was released.
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Well, I was moreso speaking on the differences of German Eurofighter versus the Rafale with both having similar play-rates.
Interestingly the German Eurofighter outperforms the Rafale in every aspect whether it is ground kills per battle, to kills per spawn, or kills per death, or even the winrate itself. So even when the German Eurofighter places more importance/priority on ground kills, it outperforms the Rafale still in terms of air to air performance.
You might want to check those kills per spawn numbers again.
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