Ground kills will bleed tickets in sim and with most experienced players playing on red side it will skew statistics against blue. Nimbaltarget covered this in F-15C GE video recently.
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The Rafale also has a LWR btw.
I think the higher KPS can mostly be attributed to the fact that the EFT can engage earlier than the rafale. While evading missiles from 15km away is supposed to be quite easy, my recent experience is that many games just have half of the teams wiped out in 15s from this first wave of missiles (where rafales can’t compete).
As for the higher KD, I think it’s also due to the fact that the rafales usually seem to play more aggressively to try and force a near WVR fight where they’ll dominate with their MICA, while the EFT, especially with its 180+º radar can be more confortable shooting and tracking from those longer ranges and gets in less dangerous positions.
I won’t argue about the rafale « being bad » however. Its still excellent, it needs to be played in little more intelligently than before
Between the typhoon aesa, su-30sm, and rafale. I think the rafale is still my best 14.7 but the others are very competitive.
What the rafale does very good is having a fantastic defensive capability while staying dangerous because of high off bore and acceleration from the MICA performance. And its harder to notch on top of that.
The su-30sm kinda does the same with the R-77-1 with the advantage of keeping TWS locks at notch angles but I find the rafale easier to notch or overall defeat incoming missiles. It might be a combination of the rafale being a smaller target, and being overall much faster and agile even at high altitudes where the su-30sm becomes a boat. The big missile count and the very wide FOV radar carries this jet.
The typhoon aesa is like a rafale for long range fighting. Works wonders when you have teammates but if multiple people attack you, you have a hard time using your aim-120s at HOBS. BOL chaff seems to be iffy, and the typhoon RWR has a cursed zoom where everything close to you get cluster together and you cant judge the distance of incoming missiles at shorter ranges. By consequence of both those issues the rafale is easier to defend with.
The typhoon aesa is the 14.7 that I get less kills per game on average I think, but I also don’t die often with it. I have some 6+ kill games but having 1 kill games is not that uncommon, Its a consequence of playing BVR at longer ranges.
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only the german ef gets the 9l/i
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Italy has it as an option too
Italian aesa euro gets it too. Pretty sure you can see that on WT wiki
holy atomwarheitsbombe
I’ve got like 1-6 kills per game with Rafale and 0-3 with F15 GE. So yeah… MICA is weak as hell xD
I mean, you are kinda cherry picking the EFT data. The British EFT currently manages even better stats than the rafale.
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I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, Rafale is ahistorically underperforming.
It’s missing it’s (totally real) ability to de-atomize itself and reappear behind any enemy in the game.
until we have teleportation in WT the Rafale is gonna have dozens of threads like this being made.
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Don’t forget how it can destroy an F-22 just by looking roughly in its direction
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and for the people that say that the rafale can’t fire from the notch… it easily can. Just switch to IRST mode b4 firing cause it has a 90 degree limit that lets you fire from the notch.
Literally never gotta leave the notch which makes you immune to missiles
also ignore rafale radar going schizo at the beginning
Here’s another example against multiple people at once, though in this case I was a dumbass that was much too happy on the chaff trigger button and ran out
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That too is a bit of a cherry pick though, and likely because they dont fight Rafales as often.
I personally use the Italian Typhoon as the Benchmark of “average” performance. Not the Major nation issue like we have for US, USSR and Germany, but also with a fairer MM.
Obviously, I was just showing that just taking a fraction of the data that goes your way can totally change a conclusion.
For me, it’d be better to take the Italian one as well, or to just average all (AESA) typhoons (also considering the number of players), as the Italian typhoon does have a much lower player pool than the rafale or the other EFTs
Yeah, but im too lazy for that, so I just Italian data.
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Looks nice, wish gaijin would just implement IRST datalink already so this wouldn’t be as finnicky.
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The weighted average of all typhoons would be
Weighted kills per spawn: 0.937
Weighted kills per death: 1.221
which is pretty close to the italian ETFs 0.92 and 1.21
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When it comes to GRB the biggest contributor to the german typhoons ground performance is not that its better kitted out than rafale or has better players, that is pure cope. Its instead the fact that you tend to be matched together with RU meaning less pantsirs to intercept your slow ass glidebombs and also no SLM to worry about to punish bad CAS players.
It is not because the plane is better at ground support than a rafale, its because there is less hurdles to overcome in order to do a successful CAS run.
In ARB the Rafale wins thanks to the extremely potent and strong MICAs, as much as you want to cope about how france suffers, the fact that Rafale was at 68% WR pre-Su30SM2 and post-SM2 droped down to like 58-59% is enough of an indicator that despite SM2 being added it still has a near 60% WR.
In GRB the Rafale has much better kit both for A2G and A2A engagements, ESPECIALLY because GRB maps are extremely well tailored to the MICAs thanks to the size.
On top of that the Hammers are much better than both brimstones or spices that are available on typhoons as they can be released supersonic and unlike other BLUEFOR missiles they dont fall out of the sky past 3km.
And additionally on the typhoon the flight performance is heavily affected by the spices as they are adding roughly 800ish kg more to the airframe than what it would have with brimstones, making the plane noticably less responsive.
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