Rafale is massively underperforming

I have. Both Spice-250s and PW4s. If the Spice-250s didnt have a mach 1 release limit, Id probably run them every match just to farm a little extra. But with that limit, they just become a chore and a liability.

PW4s are much better because they dont have that limit, but add a lot more drag and weight. Though the biggest handicap there is that the reward are just generally not worth it and if I want to maintain the double rack AMRAAMs, then its 6x PW4s not the 8 we could run last year.

ASB is different story though, usually always running 6-8 PW4s, though not played ASB in months. We’ll have to see if the next update (assuming ARM is added) changes much.

I see where you’re coming from, but if we have to rely on poor choices by the players we’re begging the question. It presumes a bad choice to match the assumption.

Yes if they went full A2G the A2A will suffer a bit. But you only need 8x250’s to out strip Rafale in that area and that still leaves you two pylons for other options.

What we really need to have is Nuclear Thunder format for top tier, then we can see some real multirole capability.

But I think the aircraft that can carry silly numbers of SDB’s will do best. Two Strike Eagles could comfortably saturate a S-300 battery from stand off distances with SDB’s.

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Oh god no.

Now imagine instead of buk m2s, osa, hawks and Roland’s, we’re gonna have actual top tier anti air craft SAMs like buk m3, pantsirs and Ito 90ms all over the place. Would be horrendous to fly in.

Plus they’re gonna intercept every single one of munition compared to the older Sams, including arms quite easily

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Yeahh its going to be wild, we need a even larger area than 256x256km that came with NT.

If we can get SPEAR-3 on Typhoon thats 18x 147km range cruise missiles, should be some good saturation potential with that too.

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Even just the buildings, convoys, battlefields, etc would be waaaay more interesting than the WW1 trenches we have at top tier. Couple with some half decent rewards… multirole might become worth it.

ASB is where the SEAD should mostly take place though

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Stealth cruise missiles and stealth arms would be cool to see to counter the modern anti air.

Though I’m unsure how they’re gonna balance that out. As some planes can take much more than others.

Dream scenario would be a 512x512 sprawling map on the eastern front though

Id like to see a mixed Air and Sea map like the Med or similar (dear god its hard to select “good” locations that aren’t already war zones…).

StormShadow/SCALP-ER plz snail.

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Bulk of Britain/Scotland or North sea, Norway, Denmark, etc would be pretty good

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Not already a war zone, have you been to Scotland? hahaha

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This is true.

Womp womp

I mean we gaijin could expand Afghanistan and make it 512km x 512 km
Problem is that it would require a lot of optimization
Would be restricted to 12.7 and above for quite obvious reasons
More objectives
More airfields
More advanced airfield sam
Perhaps a radar capability overhaul and the overhaul of some fox 3
Maybe the addition of AWACS would also be something to consider since a great number of radars cant look past 200 km and that addition would help fix that
ECM capabilities for jets and dedicated ecm platforms ? Maybe but we would need a way to balance it
New missiles since all pretty much everyone will receive missiles that have a range of 150km+
There is a lot of things to consider

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I’m also hoping Stratus can make it out soon enough for it to be in game

also where exocet

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Stratus RS against the endless hoarde of Su-30SM2s and inevitable addition of R-37M yesssss

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Look at the title of the thread or look at how you have advocated for massive MICA buff due to Rafale not overperforming every plane by a margin of 20-30 percent.

This is why we are stuck in the semantics of only comparing British Eurofighter and ignoring the German and Italian Eurofighters. If the plane was clearly better than both would perform better than the Rafale. But they do not.

The margin at which the Rafale is “2nd best” is probably the narrowest difference we have seen in the history of the game. It’s so narrow you have to split hairs and make the argument that France is not a major tech tree compared to Britain in spite of the plane being played at nearly triple the rate.

Maybe the Eurofighter isn’t better. Maybe UK players are just on average better than all of the bums who rushed to Rafale in the past year because it was overpowered?

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yeah although 700-ish kg and a warhead of about 200kg seems very overkill for air to air

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Perfect, it’ll be reliable at disintegrating the Su-30SM2s so they can’t do their flat spin launch missiles cheese tactic

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I want this so badly lmao

Could have appropriate weapons and weapon systems integrated for that mode only. MMW Brimstones, LOAL capabilities for munitions. ALLO cruise missiles like Taurus and SCALP, cluster munitions, etc…

Tbf, quite a bit of the 256x256km map we currently have isnt being used. probs in the ballpark of ~33% of the map has literally nothing.

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Well, in the last update the Su30 got internal modules to help prevent this, on the other hand the rafale has yet to receive them, making it more capable at pulling the “cheesy” flat spinning shots you mentioned.

I don’t know how you can get that, from having the same WR, the British EFT having quite a significantly better KD makes the rafale somewhat better ? Kinda seems to me that it shows that the British EFT is getting more kills per game on average than the rafale, which would make it better.
As for why the British EFT and Rafale still have excellent WR, I think it can clearly be explained by the EFT dominating long range engagement and Rafales destroying the close range engagements, with only the Su30SM2 with its R77-1 capable of reacting to both, but they don’t usually play very smartly, hence their lower WR than the EFT and Rafale, while many still consider it the best overall top tier jets

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