Rafale is massively underperforming

It doesn’t make iz “better”, but it makes it overperforming in terms of BR, ie. the BR should be increased.
Having the same WR with the lower kill ratio means Rafale has easier games (needs to kill less for the same victory conditions, through various means), which means the conditions need to be increased, or you need to decrease EF’s conditions (BR) to balance those two out, eg.

The only win condition in this forsaken game mode is by killing the entire enemy team. Ie, if you win with lower KPS than another plane having the same matchmaking, it means you are being « carried » to some degree by said plane with higher KPS. Or are you not playing the game and just taking any form of statistic and twisting it to make seems like the rafale is overperforming ?

For some reason, you think that the “carried” plane doesn’t have any agency in the game.
Other types get “carried” as well, but do not score as well, so your point is rather invalid.
The plane projects power in various means, which is why;

Didn’t say it didn’t have any agency in the game. I’ve actually said on the comment previous to this one that the combo of the British EFT and Rafale is what makes them both have such high WR.
But, if we put that WR in a vacuum, the fact that the British EFT gets more KPS than the rafale (and assuming same matchmaking, which is kind off a stretch), this simply means that the EFT are getting more kills than the rafale per game on average. As simple as that.
Going from those stats, trying to argue that it’s still because the rafale overperforms because it somehow does less kills than the EFT is just stupid.

And, from my experience, that’s exactly what happens. Long range fox 3 still get a stupid amount of blind people early game (which is still surprising to this day), where the rafale can’t compete, and rafales only do the cleanup after that first waves. But since a significant amount of games are almost wiped on either side during this first engagement, that’s why rafales don’t get as much kills as the British EFT. Hence why the British EFT have better KPS.
And then because the rafale is still superior to any other aircrafts sub 10-15km, it finishes the remains of the enemy team pretty easily, hence the overall high win rate of the British EFT + rafale.

But you can’t put it in vacuum.

You are literally grasping at straws rn.
“Put it in a vacuum”, as, if we consider the matchmaking of the 2 airplanes to be identical (which it is for the most part), and considering their almost identical WR, we can ignore that as a factor of the difference in KPS between both aircrafts.

But it isn’t, which is the point.
You don’t really understand what’s the BR system here for, do you?

The entire discussion about “how the British EFT has better stats than the other EFTs” has been that the most common matchmaking for Britain and France have been fighting quasi exclusively together. I’m not the one bringing this point up, it was discussed over and over by EFT mains in multiple threads including this one
And, why are you even bringing the BR system in for ? Both planes are at top tier, they are at the same BR…

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That’s true, but

It definitely can with its flight performance. 12km altitude Mach 1.5 mica ain’t nothing to scoff at in the bvr phase. you can get kills early game just like a euro or su30sm2.

The people who would die to an aim 120 from 50 clicks out would also die to a mica.

For example, recently Even in a full uptier in the su-27sm I’m getting bvr kills from 35+km with the standard r-77 which means people still don’t know what the hell they’re doing

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I was more thinking of those shots fired 20, 30km and beyond at the beginning of matches. They still get a surprising amount of people. And when I do that with a rafale, if not to force an enemy to play more defensively (knowing I won’t get the kill), those people die from faster missiles (at those ranges obv, MICA is a short range monster in that aspect) before my missiles reaches them. The rafale really shines mid/late game, tho thanks to the fact that it can easily evade those long range missiles at the beginning of a match.
And those people firing their missiles 50 clicks won’t die from MICA since they’d already been killed from R77-1, AIm120C/D and other longer range missiles, since they don’t know how to defeat radar missiles.
The British EFT probably gets more kills than the rafale cause it can kill those players faster than a Rafale can with MICA. That’s my main point.

Now if MICA NG was added, seeing how Derby ER performs, that would be an entirely different discussion concerning those long range shots since the Time to Target would be obscene compared to current missiles up to at least 40-50km

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Ohh boy

The only war zone thing I recall was the damn midges. They are a nightmare in early summer.

Maybe… Though the elephant in the room is still the Italian and to a lesser degree the German Typhoon performing a lot worse than the Rafale and FGR4.

So there must be some MM reason for that.

Though F15 space climbers being dumb doesn’t mean the Typhoon is actually massively overperforming. I think it’s about right in terms of the current top tier line up (bar Israel obviously) though in need of many fixes

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current top tier air as a whole is a complete mess at the moment, but the eurofighters feel so weird to play for me its low speed stability just doesnt seem to exist the acceleration looks to be underperforming im pretty sure its still missing 2 amraams on the 2 inner wing pylons where it can take spices and brimstones the CAPTOR-E while being an amazing radar is also underperformiing like hell (like every AESA) idk it just seems really odd to play. though this all could just be a skill issue (also that it still cant carry anything more than aim120b/c and aim9m which are like the worst top tier missiles)

I don’t play the EFT, but have the same feeling with the rafale. The instructor just keep the plane wobbling around the cursor at low speed, making it a bit annoying to aim the gun

I don’t think there’s a report on that ? Would need to be proven by an IRL plane actually carrying AMRAAM on those pylons, though it’s likely its technically compatible (but if we spoke of technically compatible every NATO plane would share basically all their armements). For example the rafale is said to be compatible with Spices (as marketed by the manufacturer), but no reports have been made because there’s no proof it was actually tested

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Yeah there’s a brochure that shows it but no irl plane has been seen with the missiles there

to me the rafale seems much more stable than the EF at low speed but both are a bit of a mess

also im like pretty certain it can take amraams on those pylons considering it can take alarm brimstones spices paveways yk the lot and im pretty sure i found something on it a while back but with gaijins bug reporting system they would never implement it

The beast mode brochure right ?

Kinda like MBDA’s proposal for the rafale then, which proposed Meteors on the fuel tanks pylons

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It’s the instructor, it’s also squirrely at high alt too. But I’ve never noticed an issue in either regime in ASB. thougu the rudder probably needs tweaking. I don’t think it’s quite strong enough

It’s possible, early marketing material suggested AMRAAM on the inner most, but good luck proving it to Gaijin. But I think the current AAM count is fine, it just needs better AAMs

Yeah, Gaijin artificially nerfing it’s scan rate sucks. Should be triple what it is currently in most modes

I just really want BOL and the cockpit to be fixed. Though instructor needs TLC

There is some marketing material but Gaijin won’t accept it alone

Spoiler

And heavy A2A fits haven’t been a requirement of the Typhoon, heck double rack AAMs are rarely used

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