F-15E: 8x AIM-120A/B, same radar tech, same high speed energy retention, same amount of flares.
F-15E is in no way superior, it’s a textbook sidegrade.
Yeah im disregarding every opinion you put out after this. Completely wrong.
Also your post is implying no one speaks English is weird.
Lol, putting words in my mouth. I said do YOU, not no one. You misinterpreted my post, or did you? You put words in my mouth on purpose.
Hard disagree. The F-15E is faster and quicker to accelerate. That matters a lot when you’re slinging AMRAAMs across the map. Pretty much everyone knows this.
On bringing the F-15C and its peers up to 14.0 I agree, but I disagree with your reasoning that the E is just a sidegrade to the C.
The F15E accelerates much faster which allows it to get to position faster than the F15C, in a 1 on 1 fight (full loadout) between 2 equally skilled people 1 in an f15e and the other in the f15c, the person in the E should win the majority time since it can force a favorable position easier due to its better acceleration and higher top speed. Also comparing 2 F15’s to an F104 and a phantom just shows how little you know about them since the differences between the two groups is astronomical. The F15C is like an F4J and the F15E is like an F4S would be a much better comparison as the E is not a side grade but an upgrade.
@magikvfx
So localhost, dataminers, and WTRTI are all wrong? That’s a big claim.
Your post is also not you, I never mentioned you I only mentioned your posts.
@Ub3rshadow @SolareHQ
F-15E is exactly 15% faster to accelerate, you know what else is 15% faster to accelerate? F-104S over F-4 Phantom. Same exact situation.
F-15E trades energy retention and maneuverability to go faster in a straight line.
Datamines and localhost information prove that it’s a sidegrade.
F-15C accelerated 15% faster than all other jets in the game for months yet no one, not a single person, complained about its acceleration.
Raw altitude test: Minimum fuel, clean, straight up ~82 degrees vertical from 60 meters.
Max speed is the same currently due to the drag nerfs to F-15E.
Time to climb with spaded performance, stock weapon as of a few weeks ago with an outdated test: It’d be mach 1.5 at 10,000 meters now which causes F-15C to be faster than in this test.
F-15C energy retention despite being able to turn better than the F-15E:
Mhm, we’re ignoring the ~4000 kgf extra thrust on the F-15E. F-15E is significantly faster to accelerate to altitude, letting its AMRAAMS have more energy as well as altitude to work with. Show me those stats you mention (scratch this sentence). F-15C’s only advantage is dogfights, which is already something you’re doing wrong if you got into one.
As for my post is not me shit, nice joke. Kinda funny. You mentioned words in my post with a completely wrong interpretation.
Significant kit difference, as well as purpose. Comparing an F-4 and F-104S like that is something only you would do (its stupid)
And you’re ignoring the 2.5 tons extra empty weight.
You’re also ignoring the fact F-15E needs 1 more external drop tank than F-15C for the same amount of flight time.
So at minimum, F-15E is ~4 tons heavier at all times compared to the F-15C.
“But you can bring less fuel in the F-15E… and F-15C.” Exactly, you can. And the F-15C will always have mass advantage.
F-104S and F-4 both have BVR weapons and WVR weapons.
AIM-7E-2 and AIM-9Js for the 11.3 versions.
1: Still accelerates 15% faster
2: Drop tank is not needed, this is 2024 ARB
3: Since you don’t need that drop tank, its 2.5 tons heavier, and still accelerates 15% faster
You’re comparing two completely different airframes to each other and is completely irrelevant since both aircraft have completely different roles and usages. When were talking about acceleration speeds this quick 15% isn’t a small margin by any means, if you’ve even played a game in the F15E you’d know just how much faster you get to altitude than an F15C, and how much of an impact that extra speed has on the longevity of your missiles. The acceleration is literally the reason it got moved to 14.0 and everyone was talking about the difference in engine power in the DEV server as the F15I had the upgraded engines but the E didn’t so I don’t know what you’re talking about saying no one is complaining about it.
1: Nigh every afterburning jet fighter in WT has BVR and WVR weapons, shocking.
2: F-4 still has a different role, and can equip MANY more missiles.
This is a stupid comparison and you know it. Stop reaching for straws.
atp just block him he’s annoying asf. ego too large to admit mistakes.
1 & 2- And the F-15C brings less fuel. BTW that’s 15% better acceleration without the drop tank, with it’s a tad slower.
3- Since you need less fuel in the F-15C it’s 2.5 tons lighter.
F-4 can equip 2 more missiles, 8 vs 6. And even then they’re the same BR.
And if Typhoon and F-15C are so bad at time to climb, why does your post argue Typhoon is as good as F-15E when you claim speed is all that matters? Typhoon’s only better WVR.
@SolareHQ
Here’s the updated test:
I’ll use Magik’s request internal fuel only.
F-15E: 121 seconds:
F-15C: 140 seconds:
In comparison here’s J-10A: Every single single-engined BVR jet is ~3 minutes to mach 1.5.
The difference between F-15C and F-16C/J-10/Mirage 2000/etc is greater than the difference between F-15E and F-15C.
But yeah, apparently the WTRTI team that brings localhost data to the screen is something.
That or dataminers are wrong for stating that F-15E’s drag nerfs happened.
Also magik’s post claiming that everyone who admits their mistakes have massive egos… wow.
What I said: atp just block him he’s annoying asf. ego too large to admit mistakes.
lmao, love your trolling. You’re entertaining.
I don’t know what you think you’re proving with screenshots. We can’t watch that, can we? We can’t judge your flight, we can’t confirm your numbers. I know you’re made some pretty silly claims with screenshots in the past that people were quick to prove incorrect.
Blatantly wrong but go off I guess.
How about you record your tests and share them in full, with a better testing methodology of “here’s a screenshot when I feel like it”?
I think Alvis lives to be a contrarian and start arguments. Pretty funny to engage with though.
@Ub3rshadow
I use the same exact methodology that real life pilots use. How is that a bad methodology?
Doing video recordings is a bad methodology?
I’m stating popular good takes such as pro-decompression, and acknowledging facts proven by Defyn, dataminers, Seek, etc. How are those contrarian?
I am not the community, I just state their takes that I agree with. I am a vessel of knowledge, I am a flawed man.
And apparently datamining is made up as well as WTRTI/localhost… what a movement of goalposts.
pretty much, his posts are nonsensical rambling.
and LMAO he just replied again, twisting your words. i want to block him but he’s just too funny.
You’ve been actively arguing against what DEFYN says in his videos through this thread but go off I guess.
Don’t put words in my mouth. Your testing methodology is what’s bad. Read what I said in my last reply another three to six times to be sure, internalise it, then go do your tests again.
You aren’t the community. Knock your ego down a notch.
Never said anything about localhost. You shared screenshots at some arbitrary altitude, not plots of data obtained through localhost. Stop trolling and participating in bad faith.
Defyn states that F-15C/E are hilariously powerful due to their speed, and he puts Typhoon up there with them.
No one put words in your mouth. Asking you to explain your statements better is asking for clarification.
My methodology is used by real life pilots, cause I just copied their methodology.
Glad you agree with me that I’m not the community.
