Rafale Buff/Br reduction (13.7)

(the former)

maybe but it wouldnt be beneficial anyway, sury you wouldnt have to grind the ww2 vehicles but theyre the least expensive and time consuming part of the grind, being only about 1/4 or 2/7 at best

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Indeed- when I grind new trees, 15% of the time is Ranks I-III, 35% is IV-VI, and 50% is VII-VIII alone.

Anyway, we went a bit off the rails! Hahah;

Regarding Rafale, I don’t think lowering its BR is a solution; it would neither solve or change anything for it, while it would be detrimental for lower BR planes now forced to face it.

If there are inaccuracies that impact its performance, then they should be fixed ASAFP; same goes for the Eurofighters as well.

That’s hilarious lol

Impact in 3…2…1 annnnd I lost him.

ok, tell me where are : Meteors MICA-IR, SCALP-EG, AM.39 (i’ll not ask about ASMP-A, since it’s nuclear)

cuz’, in the end: those are missile/AGM/ASM employed by Rafale F.3R and Later, all those missile types are within the game.

After that, we can look at futher radar abilities, RWR ones,… SPECTRA Suite, and several other things.

Sooo,… YES Rafale is Held back, and i suspect the same for EF-2000 and even some F-15E features

The same place as R-37s, R-74s, AAM-5s, etc.
Meteor and MICA IR aren’t needed, and those are weapons not aircraft.

Thanks for admitting Rafale and Typhoon aren’t held back by citing weapons and not aircraft.

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hum?!

Radar is a direct downgrade currently, flight model is only better in terms of AOA (not that useful for air rb) and acceleration everything else about the flight model is worse. I’m pretty sure the rwr is the same and having 2 extra magic 2s are very useful for situations when micas wont work (when people are deck hugging).

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If anything F-15C and Su-27SM need to be brought up to 14.0.

this is why nobody likes you on the forums
If the F-15C/Su-27SM are brought up to 14.0, the F-15E and Typhoon go up to 14.7

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Rafale’s radar is objectively superior.
Rafale has superior TWR, energy retention, and instantaneous.

@magikvfx
Your post wants American and Russian bias.

I want decompression and balance, and your post is claiming that’s a hated stance.
F-15C/E are the same platform. Both have 8 AIM-120s, both retain energy above mach equally with F-15C retaining energy better below 1200 IAS.

All your post is doing is alienating common WT fanbase opinions, and I hope that’s not your intention.

I’ve been saying it should have got 2 MICA IR like the mig29 got 2 ER’s and ET’s on launch, I still stand with this because the MICA’s are still buggy as hell.

This is why people tell everyone to ignore and block you. You put words into people’s mouths and twist their opinions to be the opposite of what they are saying.

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@Ion_Protogen
His post claimed that the F-15C identical twin should be brought up to 14.7 just cause I said it should be brought up to 14.0.
That’s his post’s words. His post said it.

I never put words in anyones mouths, and I never twisted anything.
I never will either.

Hist post is not him; please do not consider hist post himself.

If they we’re gonna add 4.5 gen like they are now we should have gotten better aircraft in every nation, we didn’t even get the J10B and J11B that were in the leak lists probably because Gaijin didn’t want to add more advanced missiles in the game currently, I really don’t like how currently only 4 nations have 14.0 aircraft and even then these aircraft aren’t much better than their 13.7 counterparts maybe besides the F15E. We really should have seen more advanced aircraft for every nation and have given them their actual weaponry (things like the R77 and the MICA IR and the Meteor ETC.) This update has been maybe the most disappointing final update for the year in War Thunder history.

Move everything else up instead. Lets stop asking for BR decreases and start asking for other things to increase. This is how we ended up with the mess that is sabres and mig15s at 8.0, 4 R-60s and untouchable supersonics at 9.3, and an all aspect death pit at 10.3. We’re pretty much up to the modern day now airframe-wise, lets chill out on asking for BR decreases.

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Your post claims the entire forum wants BRs compressed, which is sad.
F-15C/E are the same platform. Both have 8 AIM-120s, both retain energy above mach equally with F-15C retaining energy better below 1200 IAS.

Lol, you do realize F-15E is far superior to the F-15C? And I meant 14.7 E, 14.3 C, and 14.0 SM. How would it be BR compression if im asking for a BR ceiling increase.
Do you even speak english? Did you misread? Whats wrong with you?

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Guess we’re gonna ignore 4000kgf of thrust lmao

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You have done it to me before.

The F-15E is better than the F-15C, and they should not be the same BR. Under no circumstances should there be objectively better vehicles at the same BR.

The gold standard for BR placements should be this.
Screenshot 2024-12-16 135152
They are all minor upgrades over the previous model, and their BR reflects that.

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@magikvfx
F-15E: 8x AIM-120A/B, same radar tech, same high speed energy retention, same amount of flares.

F-15E is in no way superior, it’s a textbook sidegrade.
Typhoon even has F-15C’s time to climb.

Also your post is implying no one speaks English is weird.

@SolareHQ
That thrust plus the added mass is what causes F-15E to retain less energy.
F-15E is an F-104S, and the F-15C is an F-4 Phantom.
Is the F-104S superior to the F-4 Phantom, Solare? No, it’s a sidegrade.

@Ion_Protogen
So is the F-104S superior to the F-4 Phantom? It’s faster with the same exact weapons, that must mean it’s superior according to at least one of these posts.

And no, those M4s have increasing lethality or armor.
M4A2 has APCR + the most armor. M4 has more armor than M4A1.

Compare it to the F-104G instead of the phantom lmao. That isn’t the only thing that matters.

A better comparison would be F-104G to the F-104S. The S is better due to the superior engine.