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Radar is a direct downgrade currently, flight model is only better in terms of AOA (not that useful for air rb) and acceleration everything else about the flight model is worse. I’m pretty sure the rwr is the same and having 2 extra magic 2s are very useful for situations when micas wont work (when people are deck hugging).
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If anything F-15C and Su-27SM need to be brought up to 14.0.
this is why nobody likes you on the forums
If the F-15C/Su-27SM are brought up to 14.0, the F-15E and Typhoon go up to 14.7
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Rafale’s radar is objectively superior.
Rafale has superior TWR, energy retention, and instantaneous.
@magikvfx
Your post wants American and Russian bias.
I want decompression and balance, and your post is claiming that’s a hated stance.
F-15C/E are the same platform. Both have 8 AIM-120s, both retain energy above mach equally with F-15C retaining energy better below 1200 IAS.
All your post is doing is alienating common WT fanbase opinions, and I hope that’s not your intention.
I’ve been saying it should have got 2 MICA IR like the mig29 got 2 ER’s and ET’s on launch, I still stand with this because the MICA’s are still buggy as hell.
This is why people tell everyone to ignore and block you. You put words into people’s mouths and twist their opinions to be the opposite of what they are saying.
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@Ion_Protogen
His post claimed that the F-15C identical twin should be brought up to 14.7 just cause I said it should be brought up to 14.0.
That’s his post’s words. His post said it.
I never put words in anyones mouths, and I never twisted anything.
I never will either.
Hist post is not him; please do not consider hist post himself.
If they we’re gonna add 4.5 gen like they are now we should have gotten better aircraft in every nation, we didn’t even get the J10B and J11B that were in the leak lists probably because Gaijin didn’t want to add more advanced missiles in the game currently, I really don’t like how currently only 4 nations have 14.0 aircraft and even then these aircraft aren’t much better than their 13.7 counterparts maybe besides the F15E. We really should have seen more advanced aircraft for every nation and have given them their actual weaponry (things like the R77 and the MICA IR and the Meteor ETC.) This update has been maybe the most disappointing final update for the year in War Thunder history.
Move everything else up instead. Lets stop asking for BR decreases and start asking for other things to increase. This is how we ended up with the mess that is sabres and mig15s at 8.0, 4 R-60s and untouchable supersonics at 9.3, and an all aspect death pit at 10.3. We’re pretty much up to the modern day now airframe-wise, lets chill out on asking for BR decreases.
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Your post claims the entire forum wants BRs compressed, which is sad.
F-15C/E are the same platform. Both have 8 AIM-120s, both retain energy above mach equally with F-15C retaining energy better below 1200 IAS.
Lol, you do realize F-15E is far superior to the F-15C? And I meant 14.7 E, 14.3 C, and 14.0 SM. How would it be BR compression if im asking for a BR ceiling increase.
Do you even speak english? Did you misread? Whats wrong with you?
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Guess we’re gonna ignore 4000kgf of thrust lmao
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You have done it to me before.
The F-15E is better than the F-15C, and they should not be the same BR. Under no circumstances should there be objectively better vehicles at the same BR.
The gold standard for BR placements should be this.
They are all minor upgrades over the previous model, and their BR reflects that.
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@magikvfx
F-15E: 8x AIM-120A/B, same radar tech, same high speed energy retention, same amount of flares.
F-15E is in no way superior, it’s a textbook sidegrade.
Typhoon even has F-15C’s time to climb.
Also your post is implying no one speaks English is weird.
@SolareHQ
That thrust plus the added mass is what causes F-15E to retain less energy.
F-15E is an F-104S, and the F-15C is an F-4 Phantom.
Is the F-104S superior to the F-4 Phantom, Solare? No, it’s a sidegrade.
@Ion_Protogen
So is the F-104S superior to the F-4 Phantom? It’s faster with the same exact weapons, that must mean it’s superior according to at least one of these posts.
And no, those M4s have increasing lethality or armor.
M4A2 has APCR + the most armor. M4 has more armor than M4A1.
Compare it to the F-104G instead of the phantom lmao. That isn’t the only thing that matters.
A better comparison would be F-104G to the F-104S. The S is better due to the superior engine.
F-15E: 8x AIM-120A/B, same radar tech, same high speed energy retention, same amount of flares.
F-15E is in no way superior, it’s a textbook sidegrade.
Yeah im disregarding every opinion you put out after this. Completely wrong.
Also your post is implying no one speaks English is weird.
Lol, putting words in my mouth. I said do YOU, not no one. You misinterpreted my post, or did you? You put words in my mouth on purpose.
Hard disagree. The F-15E is faster and quicker to accelerate. That matters a lot when you’re slinging AMRAAMs across the map. Pretty much everyone knows this.
On bringing the F-15C and its peers up to 14.0 I agree, but I disagree with your reasoning that the E is just a sidegrade to the C.
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The F15E accelerates much faster which allows it to get to position faster than the F15C, in a 1 on 1 fight (full loadout) between 2 equally skilled people 1 in an f15e and the other in the f15c, the person in the E should win the majority time since it can force a favorable position easier due to its better acceleration and higher top speed. Also comparing 2 F15’s to an F104 and a phantom just shows how little you know about them since the differences between the two groups is astronomical. The F15C is like an F4J and the F15E is like an F4S would be a much better comparison as the E is not a side grade but an upgrade.
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@magikvfx
So localhost, dataminers, and WTRTI are all wrong? That’s a big claim.
Your post is also not you, I never mentioned you I only mentioned your posts.
@Ub3rshadow @SolareHQ
F-15E is exactly 15% faster to accelerate, you know what else is 15% faster to accelerate? F-104S over F-4 Phantom. Same exact situation.
F-15E trades energy retention and maneuverability to go faster in a straight line.
Datamines and localhost information prove that it’s a sidegrade.
F-15C accelerated 15% faster than all other jets in the game for months yet no one, not a single person, complained about its acceleration.
Raw altitude test: Minimum fuel, clean, straight up ~82 degrees vertical from 60 meters.
Max speed is the same currently due to the drag nerfs to F-15E.
Time to climb with spaded performance, stock weapon as of a few weeks ago with an outdated test: It’d be mach 1.5 at 10,000 meters now which causes F-15C to be faster than in this test.
F-15C energy retention despite being able to turn better than the F-15E:
Mhm, we’re ignoring the ~4000 kgf extra thrust on the F-15E. F-15E is significantly faster to accelerate to altitude, letting its AMRAAMS have more energy as well as altitude to work with. Show me those stats you mention (scratch this sentence). F-15C’s only advantage is dogfights, which is already something you’re doing wrong if you got into one.
As for my post is not me shit, nice joke. Kinda funny. You mentioned words in my post with a completely wrong interpretation.
Significant kit difference, as well as purpose. Comparing an F-4 and F-104S like that is something only you would do (its stupid)
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