If anything this gives even more of an advantage to the F-80C in air rb. Speed is crucial to avoid getting swarmed. The R2Y2 is extremely poor at 8.0, going 1:9 against a 7.7 plane shows this too.
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It went 4:9, and he’s the more skilled pilot in 1v1s in general.
1v1s are also not air RB.
As for swarming, prior to the reheating BRs, it’s very much so an observational lapse.
More skilled, yet you claimed/implied that the F-80C had no chance against the R2Y2, yet it came out on top. Reliably.
Before missiles become commonplace, many of your individual engagements will be akin to 1v1s as both will be maneuvering to try to shoot the other down. Being faster allows you to simply avoid aircraft you don’t want to fight or quickly exit an unfavorable situation. The R2Y2 cannot do this.
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No, I was very specific in my statements about the R2Y2 and F-80C, and “no chance” was never implied nor claimed.
It went 4:9 bc you dont know how to play against someone that isnt the regular player, not just in 1v1s, its the same reason i got a kd of almost 10 on the R2Y2, normal lobbys are full of people that have a kd of 0.6-1.0 in everything, Im not trying to insult you or anything like that at all.
I have been playing competitively for quite a few years, so I can say for sure which plane is better without even playing it.
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Do you have the video recorded? Let’s see how good the R2y2 is lmao
I will record the replay later
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Youtube videos:
I played the replay half the time on x4 bc otherwise would be 20 mins each
Round 1
Round 2
Round 3
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idk how its fair to fly this shit against cold war jets, F86s, F9Fs,etc who are faster and turn faster, what is gaijin smoking bruh
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The funniest part is they just announced the upcoming BR changes and after so many people suffered in the R2Y2s for months in order to get them before they get removed, Gaijin still ignores their coveted stats and change nothing. after playing for what is now 10 years, nobody can convince me this “game” is about fun and not just pure torture of the playerbase.
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ikr lmao, i just give it the same playstile i do with the Ki-200, climb high and dive to get kills, doing normal right now, but it still sucks being slow (i love ground pounding on this thing whe no enemy is arround)
Does the flight performance of the V1, V2 and V3 actually change?
On the stat card they all have nearly the same same speed, which doesn’t seem to make sense, since the V2 and V3 would be more aerodynamic with the engines moved to the fuselage instead of wing housings.
Yes.
Direct comparison at 0:37.
Basically, V1 has better low end acceleration but worse top speed (and therefore worse high end acceleration), V3 has better high end acceleration due to higher top speed, and V2 is just objectively worse than the V3 so there’s no reason to play it.
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Seems like the V2 is basically even worse than the V1.
Seems a bit odd.
Honestly 7.7 would be better balanced so a full uptier would see mig 15 and full down tiers would still slap
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Nope, not 8.0 material at all and never been even before the gun nerf. Its not fun at all getting rocketed from the sky by quided missiles in slow late ww2 jet which belongs to other late ww2 jets. And you cant do anything about those missiles anyway. No skill issue included I just cant do anything about people with guided missiles or people that go 400 km/h more. R2Y2s relies on people being stupid or picking people that dont pay attention to you to get any kills. Like 3 kill game in it is really quite lucky for it.
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So yea 7.3 for the 3 of them is fair. Or make it like in sims each have own br. But imo its not deserved and all should be 7.3
Differences between them are way too minimal to justify an entire BR step between each. Maybe if each step was just .1 BR…
Honestly, I’m gonna give these a try properly to figure out what the matter is here. On the surface, they don’t seem that good, but I really haven’t played it a lot. I’ve followed the discussion in this thread a lot, and it seems people have very different ideas regarding this plane.
I just want to ask, @AlvisWisla, do you think the issue is compression rather than the plane itself? Your opinion seem to be that the plane shouldn’t move down. Me, with a cursory glance, think it could go down to 7.7 but that sort of BR decrease really wouldn’t change that much… (6.7 matchmaker is practically non-existent, so is 9.0 which is the highest it would face at 8.0)
It feels that there is a very big issue of compression at this BR. I’ve personally played the Barougan and that thing was a pain. F-84G isn’t really that fun either. It feels that there is a lot of planes in this bracket with really different capabilities crammed together into that BR range. Especially with something like the Sabre and MiG-15 being at this BR now as well.
I dunno. I’ll give it a proper try, I’ll play the V3 because I’ve heard it’s the best.
Yes. I think I addressed that in my first post.
I did.
Decompressing 8.0, and obviously 9.3 and to an extent 10.0 would fix this issue entirely.
I very much believe that R2Y2 is the definition of what an 8.0 should be.
262 C is what a 7.7 should be.
Mig-9L is what a 7.3 should be.
Kikka is what a 7.0 should be.
If the 8.0s are objectively superior to R2Y2 they should be moved up.