Anything but admit that you are wrong uh?
America teams on air are the german teams on ground, it is amazing seeing +8 team mates going after the first grass eater
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@Leinadmix9_ツ
I gave you the parameters, and you refused. You want to edit the parameters to give the F-80C as much advantage as possible because you know WTRTI and Statshark are correct.
Me saying that Statshark and WTRTI are wrong would itself be wrong, so I cannot and will not say what you demand of me.
Here’s all the evidence I’ve supplied previously BTW:
As WTRTI and Statshark prove, the airframe performance when given equal fuel shows a slight bias toward R2Y2.
90 seconds of water injection is not enough to out-rate an R2Y2 if you get into a rate fight.
You have to intentionally bring less fuel, you have to intentionally make the F-80C have advantage.
Which has been my statement this entire time.
Oh, and if you don’t use water injection for your takeoff and initial climb, the R2Y2 out-climbs you, and climbs as well as the F-80C when the F-80C has minimum fuel.
So yeah, while Lein’s posts claim WTRTI and Statshark are wrong, and demands me I “admit” they’re wrong; I’ll stick to the evidence provided for the claim I made from the start; I’m not going to change goalposts just because someone demands me to.
I refuse to do comparisons of aircraft where one aircraft has fuel advantage, cause I want to know what the performance is like when the fuel time is equal.
This is how DCS 1v1s are done, which is where I started for 1v1s; and it’s the standard I supplied for War Thunder 1v1s with the slider.
With the R2Y2’s superior guns, as well as the slightly superior airframe performance, it warrants 0.3 above F-80C.
So yeah, I’m not interested in someone that claims Statshark and WTRTI are wrong, and the only way to prove that Starshark and WTRTI are wrong is to bail from the parameters given, and give F-80C advantage changing the goalposts.
Okay, lets do the 1v1 with your rules, set the custom, tell me the amount of fuel you want me to use and everything
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Perfect. 14 minutes initial fuel for F-80C, fuel consumption will be on, and for fairness it’ll be a map we both takeoff on. That way you can choose to save water injection or not.
We’ll swap every 3 rounds.
I will grab the final performance mod on my F-80C for our 1v1, then we can do it. [Test drive is a spaded aircraft.]
I apologize if my posts sounded harsh to you, by the way. I saw unkind things and probably responded poorly to them myself, and that’s my mistake.
Sounds good, but just to clarify, i will be playing the F-80C on the first 3 rounds, you defend the R2Y2 and i do on the F-80C.
Also Bruh, fairness is being at the same speed and same alt
If you want to be at the same altitude, use water injection at the beginning. :)
If you want to know what the results would be if we do the 1v1 maps after those 9+ rounds, then we can do some 1v1 maps afterward. Fair?
Bet, ping me when you are ready
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Ready.
So after the 1v1, I clearly have a skill issue over Lein in 1v1s still, as we both agree on.
I won 1 of the engagements, and that was with the R2Y2 playing more passively and using the rate advantage.
However, I did forget to include my suspicions of F-80C’s potential vertical capability.
It doesn’t change my conclusion, and if anything it at most changes where F-80C should be placed.
My statement [same fuel time for all] of R2Y2 and F-80C being equal climb to ~5000 meters stays true.
My statement of R2Y2 being a superior rate stays true.
The statement of F-80C being at least slightly superior in verticals gets added; I didn’t make a statement on this previously in any direction as I tend to keep speculation to myself.
My statement that R2Y2’s guns are superior stays true.
Now, if F-80C is as good as Lein claims, then it should be 8.0 with the R2Y2 and MD452.
Cause all other 7.7s are objectively inferior.
And my conclusion remains that R2Y2 is a perfect example of what an 8.0 jet should be, and the OP 8.0s should move up.
Cause out of these in this image, the red is objectively OP, the green is good examples of what’s allowable, and the purple is suspect.
Granted, there are some green I’d have to look into further. I feel like retesting the Vamps, and Sea Hawks, as well as all of the Meteors.
In the case of 7.7s, light blue needs their strike aircraft status removed, green is fine, and red is suspect.
Out of how many?
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Out of 9, i played the F-80C 6 rounds and 3 on the R2Y2 V1, he used the V3, i won with the R2Y2 bc his lines were bad bad, Alvis has no idea how to play the F-80 passively.
He won that round bc i went aggressive a little early and after having my fuselage in black i survived another 3 minutes turn fighting him.
The F-80C is so supperior to the R2Y2 that on merch, after taking off and climb, at the same alt i was doing 756kmh and he was not even at 600kmh.
I stoped playing bc it was a waste of time
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He’s the better pilot in both aircraft, but as I said in my posts this wasn’t about 1v1s it was about air RB, and in the air RB context the R2Y2 pulls slightly ahead.
And if F-80C is close enough, that can move to 8.0 at some stage if the statements I made are only marginal.
If anything this gives even more of an advantage to the F-80C in air rb. Speed is crucial to avoid getting swarmed. The R2Y2 is extremely poor at 8.0, going 1:9 against a 7.7 plane shows this too.
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It went 4:9, and he’s the more skilled pilot in 1v1s in general.
1v1s are also not air RB.
As for swarming, prior to the reheating BRs, it’s very much so an observational lapse.
More skilled, yet you claimed/implied that the F-80C had no chance against the R2Y2, yet it came out on top. Reliably.
Before missiles become commonplace, many of your individual engagements will be akin to 1v1s as both will be maneuvering to try to shoot the other down. Being faster allows you to simply avoid aircraft you don’t want to fight or quickly exit an unfavorable situation. The R2Y2 cannot do this.
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No, I was very specific in my statements about the R2Y2 and F-80C, and “no chance” was never implied nor claimed.
It went 4:9 bc you dont know how to play against someone that isnt the regular player, not just in 1v1s, its the same reason i got a kd of almost 10 on the R2Y2, normal lobbys are full of people that have a kd of 0.6-1.0 in everything, Im not trying to insult you or anything like that at all.
I have been playing competitively for quite a few years, so I can say for sure which plane is better without even playing it.
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Do you have the video recorded? Let’s see how good the R2y2 is lmao
I will record the replay later
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