From my experience,I haven’t been able to flare a single R-73 from side aspect but it is relatively easier to flare from front aspect.
But AIM-9Ms are quite hard to spot unless you have seen the other guy fire it at you.AIM-9Ms are slightly harder to flare than R-73.Overall in terms of flare resistance they are somewhat similar
Do people even bother to play any mig 29s now? Their fm is dogshit and the r73 seems still broken
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For me whenever I fire R-73 from side aspect it always gets flared , I am willing to take test videos of it if anyone is willing to test it with me in a 1v1 lobby, just add me and send me a message we can test the 9M and R-73
I stopped playing it , I’m enjoying destroying everything unopposed in ground RB with 6 AGM-65s 2 laser bombs and 4 unflareable invisible 9Ms
I think what this missile needs most is all-aspect acquisition range increase after it is off the rails. it does not have LOAL capability like R&ER thus unreliable at longer distances. I wish they gave it’s historical head on range against afterburning targets but that would make it very busted…
Yh me too man in dcs its qay nore better with its flare resistance but all missiles are more flare resistant in dcs but in warthunder alot of new players dont want to learn how to flare
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Dude evrey one here is a patriot we just want what our vechiles have irl calling us vatnik wont change when we can call ypu nato bot
bro says end of the line:
Russian short range missiles:
R-73 (in game) (40 degree OBS shots capability) (beats 9M)
R-73E (45 degree OBS capbility)
R-73M
R-74 (60 degree OBS)
R-74M (75 degree OBS)
K-74M2 (R-74M2) (for Su-57)
AND not to mention the RVV-MD (75 degree OBS, 40Km range)
OR the radar guided variants of the R/K-73/4
American missiles:
Aim-9M (in game)
Aim-9X
Aim-9X Block 2
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Dude what?? Russia can have r74m r77 r73m r25t and r25r and alot more ir missiles
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it would not be busted, because the target will pop 1 flare for something else and defeat the garbage seeker of the 27ET unintentionally
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R-25 is a SAM, not an A-A missile (if you mean the R-25 Vulkan), and it only has one variant which has both Radar and IR guidance
My mistake i meant r40t and r40r
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im also waiting for R-37 hypersonics, they surely break the game
40g overload launched by a mig 31 hypersonic trust me they wont add this before avacs is added
IF lol
wait i just realised… R-27 goes mach 4.5 and the R-37 does the same… maybe we will see them soon
although R-37M goes way faster
Thats wierd, because Aim-9X is 90° OBS. With non-early variants allowing for 360° engagements.
9L allready offers 40° gimbal.
All of these afaik have the same non-planar array type of seeker. In other words its probably not gonna be huge leaps in capability.
This is a export R73M/74/74M from what i can gather, idk which because statements are conflicting.
At least this a new seeker head type that america introduced with the 9R. Its not the 90° off-boresight of the other 5th gen ir air to air. But its something.
I was strictly talking about IR missiles since that was the topic of the thread. What their radar missiles can do is not something ive looked at.
If you want a more complete list:
Im not saying America has a lot more ir-missiles to offer, but in terms of cabaility the 9R is allready a jump to the most modern Soviet derived missiles as that is when they started to use their Focal plane array models.
Im bascially ok with making up specs for the later R73 developments to balance as long as Gaijin is open about it, but i do not see much of an upgrade untill they start using a new sekker head type. Its why as far as i can tell the R73M would probably fit perfectly fine alongside the 9M. Depending on the variant of 9M they are probably not very far off from eachother seeker wise
And that is the only one i consider as a notable step up as it uses a Focal plane array seeker. Which is what we got introduced to with the Aim-9R.
I guess there is something to be said about the R77T, but its bound to be using the same or similar set of seekers to the R73 derived models. And i was mostly interested in the seekers
yeah sorry typo i meant to type 9M
yes well im not really too informed about their actual upgrades. besides, no airforce would upgrade without a significant benefit of doing so. also, and increase of 20 degrees OBS on the R-74 would be quite helpful
ur correct and you can find them on rosbornexport or the other website (i forgor the name)
but an upgrade over 60 degrees OBS and 40Km range is quite a bit deadly
unfortunately it got cancelled so idk how eager gaijin would be to introduce it (america still dosent have the 9Q or other vars)
It can still be a upgrade if they choose to add it to the navy planes. It is the earliest of that seeker type and essentially just a 9M with that seeker.
Yeah fair, tho 9L and M allready have that kind of gimbal limit.
One thing is for sure that in terms of manouvering the US doesn’t have a competitor untill the 9X.
Yeah and the major upgrades seems to be OBS and probably upgrades like the 9M saw with its -8 or -9 variants where it got better IRCCM circuitry.
And idk which exactly got the new seeker type, its R74 or R74M. Its all very recent developments. R-74 got digital processing seemingly and later the R74M got the FPA seeker.
So i hope you see why i think R73 derived missiles probably wont be major step ups (untill FPA) when you consider the seeker type used. Im no IR missile engineer, but there is probably a limit to how much you can do without a FPA seeker, and thats probably why the US jumped to that seeker type when they saw how the R73 compared to the 9L after the re-unification of Germany. They wanted a major upgrade, and thats how they were gonna do it.