R-77s are horrid and the R-77-1 is needed

[Sanchouzz]

@Godvana

The R-27EP is an anti-radiation missile though isn’t it? Not that useful for air combat.

Eh, well yes… but no.

Yes - because it been developed for SEAD missions.

No - because it still can lock on enemy (or friendly) aircraft radar, and fast/agile enough to intercept fighters.

[Godvana]

@Sanchouzz

No - because it still can lock on enemy (or friendly) aircraft radar, and fast/agile enough to intercept fighters.

If the fighter just turned away or turned off its radar though the missile would lose lock

[ID_Heaven]

@Sanchouzz

So “non-existent”, that in 1985, been 3 successful test launches, from MiG-29 №970, and 971.

You say that active r-27 was tested in 85
BBCRF says that it didn’t exist.
Fantom2451 sent this

Spoiler

Who is right?

[Sanchouzz]

Thats true.
But how many you seen players, that setting their radar off?

Well, it still been developed for SEAD/AWACS kill, ability to kill ASM/aircraft is just a luxury.

[Flogger_cbs]

@Sanchouzz

All, who can use R-27ER, can use R-27EA/EP.

Really? I have the Su-27SK Flight Manual. On which page can I read about this?

@Sanchouzz

So even 23ML can use at least R-27R/T.

@Sanchouzz

the MiG-23ML flying laboratory

Choose one.

[BBCRF]

@Sanchouzz

Yes - because it been developed for SEAD missions.

What what?

[BBCRF]

Work on the rocket was curtailed in favor of the R-77. So she didn’t go further than the prototype. In fact, they were converted from R-27R

[Sanchouzz]

Now, read carefully.

@Flogger_cbs

@Sanchouzz

All, who can use R-27ER, can use R-27EA/EP.

Really? I have the Su-27SK Flight Manual. On which page can I read about this?

They CAN use it.
But as R-77 exist - R-27EA ain’t used.
But can.
As Ukrainian MiGs used HARMs, just Su/MiGs can use EA, on ER pylons without “hammer, and some mom”.

@Flogger_cbs

So even 23ML can use at least R-27R/T.

As you can see - i said 23ML can use R-27R/T.
Not ER/ET.
So i aint sure about EA, because even if they can be launch (same pylon), ML radar is too weak, for getting some benefits from that.

@Flogger_cbs

the MiG-23ML flying laboratory

What’s wrong with usage of 23ML, as FL?

[ID_Heaven]

@Sanchouzz

What’s wrong with usage of 23ML, as FL?

I think it question. Did FL Mig-23 had same radar as regular ones?

[Flogger_cbs]

@Sanchouzz

They CAN use it.

Is it really just your imagination?

@Sanchouzz

As Ukrainian MiGs used HARMs, just Su/MiGs can use EA, on ER pylons without “hammer, and some mom”.

This is a very good example. I can certainly admit that the Su/MiG could use this missile, but only in the φ0 mode.

@Sanchouzz

What’s wrong with usage of 23ML, as FL?

Nothing wrong with that, but it was a suitably modified aircraft.

[kitsune_qq]

@Sanchouzz

As Ukrainian MiGs used HARMs, just Su/MiGs can use EA, on ER pylons without “hammer, and some mom”.

HARM does not require any change in WCS, bad comparsion

[BBCRF]

Actually, it does. Now it is used as a shot somewhere there

[BBCRF]

of the 800 launches, only 4 were hit

[BBCRF]

Any missiles powered by radar radiation are very inaccurate.Moreover, the Su-27 and MiG-29 do not have full functionality and they are fired just for luck.
There is no mistaking a fallen or downed white rocket

[Godvana]

@BBCRF

Any missiles powered by radar radiation are very inaccurate.

Hmm hmm hmm, very inaccurate you say

EA-18G Growler Killed A Houthi Mi-24 Hind With An AGM-88E Anti-Radiation Missile

Seems like you are conflating Western with Russian equipment.

[BBCRF]

It sounds like Grandma knocked down a Su-34 with a jar of cucumbers.
If the helicopter was parked, then you can hit it with any missile using coordinate input.

[I_Phobos_I]

Because 88E have Passive+ARH seeker …

[Flogger_cbs]

What is exploding there, the S-75 or the S-125?

[Godvana]

@BBCRF

then why does SAM continue to function?

Because Ukraine has no aircraft with radar emitter locaters, which are an important part of a SEAD aircraft. They have to use the seeker of the AGM-88 which is not ideal.