R-77s are horrid and the R-77-1 is needed

And the 77 wasn’t in service.

The same way the germans don’t get aim-7s.

Still at least the 77-1 did enter service at all.

I mean that is fair, but at the same time the AIM-120A was retired by the time the F-15C MSIP II (2005) was introduced.

Definitely not asking for an AIM-120C but still

F-15C MSIP II with HMD from 2005 year.
F-16C with FLIR from 200*
AIM-120C won’t change anything

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Then F-22 will be with 120A or what?

But in reverse.

SM is still in service an is R-77-1 compatible

Just outrange everything. And better seeker.
With better loft, nearlier to derby

SM didnt had it from start
Even after SPO-150 update

What altitude are you firing the missile at, and what altitude is your target?

But less manoeuvreability

No. AIM-120A didn’t fit. Only AIM-120C

But better range
And less speed loss

Yes. Im about that.

The SM series is just so controversial about its upgrades I feel they should’ve just added the Su-30M2

WTF? the F-22 does use AIM-120C in service. That’s entirely different.

What kind of logic is that?

It’s a joke about the current F-15C using the AIM-120A even though it doesn’t have the mounting capability for it

Ok that is entirely different to the R-77-1 discussion though.

It’s not an analogy at all.

It was a backwards reference to the Su-27SM being designed in 2007 and not having the R-77-1 initially (as it was made in 2010-2011) and being able to use it later.

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It still makes no sense. Since there never was a limitation that vehicles only get the weaponry they were introduced with…