You can get R-77M. With AIM-260, Meteor MLU, MICA NG, and PL-15 of course
So it counterpart to 120A yeah people knew this
C-5 exist around 94 (which still older than me)
R-77-1 is from 2015 (when chip and motor should be more modern and higher quality) which exist when 120D are around
Asking for c-5 is really not much of an advanced missile really
Fact we already have C-5 equivalent already “AAM4” but gaijin holding it back
I’m just explaining the reason there is a big IRL gap in Russian weapons development, not making any case for the balance in game.
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In some regards (and Starlin’s paranoia certainly put them back as he thought anybody smart was a threat to his power and sent them to gulags), guided air to air weapons is certainly one of those areas (the stories of China sending Russia an AIM-9 that got stuck in one of their Migs or the Germen that stole a later version off an airbase in a wheelbarrow and drove it off wrapped in a carpet sticking out the broken back window of his Volkswagen, pulled it apart in his garage, mailed it piece by piece to Russia then got caught because he didn’t pay enough postage and bits got returned are great), but Germany went to Russia to study their tank designs pre WW2, the Mig-15 ran rings around NATO jets in Korea, the AK-47 is still GOAT. But then Russians aren’t much for the “make the best” approach, they seem to go for the “make it good enough and easy to use and then make LOTS of it”
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It matches the 77-1 in straight shots while having less drag. It’s a vastly superior missile
In fact it has a better drag profile than the 120B it seems like
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Tbh some said service date is irrelevant
i mean in most case yes but not when it like two to three decades gap it look too ugly.
For the game, sure, I agree the fact we have in service SPHs fighting 1940s tanks is IMO moronic, (VIDAR entered service in 1999 and is same BR as the 1951 mod T55, M109 (1960s and still in service) is same BR as the tiger E)
Maybe they need to break it into WW2/Cold war/ post cold war brackets or something. Although at least the type of missile you get hit by is less jarring than watching a R3 T20 or M109 boost past your T-34-85 at Stalingrad… At least that’s my take on it.
Edit: or you 1912 battleship being hit by an 1950s guided missile destroyer… a tad immersion breaking 😂😂
even I don’t like those too and see it as messed up as well ruin the game completely
It also need change too
While I don’t know what they could about the missile destroyers as they are just to far ahead of the rest of naval, most of the other stuff could be limited to a +/- 10 year service period ignoring the extreme outliers (there are examples of T-34s in battle in the 1980… that shouldn’t Put them in the Abrams range.) then make a reward multiplier based off how the missile/ airframe/ tank etc preform so for example a F4F ICE would go up in BR but it would get several times the reward for a kill with an AIM120 than an F-16 would get… problem is Gaijin would nerf the F16 reward not buff the ICE reward. Thats obviously a very basic form of the idea but its basically the reverse of the old method of nerfing OP stuff with repair cost. Rather than the M109 being 6.0, its 8.0, but gets 3x the SL/RP for a kill and reduced repair cost.
It would also encourage high skill players to play weaker stuff for the reward, making the game a better experience for everybody.
hopefully that makes sense Im getting drunk
AIM-120D, R-77M, etc shouldn’t come until at least a year after F-35s.
I personally think we should be at Aim-7M/ R-27R and Aim9M/ R73 max the R27ER/T and fox3 are can of worms nobody was ready for
lol Physically not possible.
Also 7M/ER were the same can of worms.
AMRAAMs were always going to come as those are the only radar missiles some aircraft can use.
Physically not possible? its entirely possible physical or otherwise for gaijin to not add something to the game. as for it being the only missile that some planes can use, they don’t need to be added, they only where because of fox3s where.
You are correct about the 7M/ER in that there are both significant upgraded over the 7F/27R respectively but the ER is the most noticeable for the average player, not that Gaijin admits there is a difference between the F/M. I think the 7P with the F/A-18 radar will be a fair counter to the ER for players that have the brains to use it’s DL abilities.
But the main point I wanted to make is that I never said ERs or fox 3 shouldn’t be added… just that I don’t think the game was ready for it yet. I think Gaijin is rushing them with out proper testing or balancing.
SARHs don’t have DL abilities that we can use.
Either way, AIM-7F is one of the primary reasons ER was added to begin with, as AIM-7F/M were by far the most powerful missiles in the game.
R-27R was only marginally better than AIM-7E-2, but 7F was far more powerful than both.
What all are like today… eh, that’s up for discussion.
I was under the impression the ERs where a response to R60m being significantly worse than the AIM 9Ls when introduced, I never notice much difference with the R27s that wasn’t just bad soviet radar. I have been testing the R27er DL in test drive with the talk about the Aim-7P and it seems to function… not that its an issue with the missiles speed. but I can imagine if the F/A18s radar is decent it could be extremely potent when paired with the 2 stage motor for a smart player.
While I agree Russian planes don’t have the radars to get much out of DL abilities, the Hornet with its radar and 2 stage booster missiles could be really nasty in the hands of a player with the brains to exploit it.
There were two reasons why ERs were chosen:
One was the obvious: Mig-29 was over-BR’d and needed to either be brought down or be given a new weapon that could keep it the same BR [no, R-73s were never going to be that weapon as we see with Mig-29G].
The second was the AIM-7F’s power creep was so monstrous that it needed some response somewhere.
AIM-7F was in USA, Japan, China, and Italy while Germany and USSR had no equivalent.
Of course 7F couldn’t be removed as that’s the only AIM-7 version a number of these aircraft could even fire due to the loss of CW emitters for the older missiles.
So an equivalent range missile that could get to its target a tad faster was less of a powercreep than the AIM-7F, while being able to keep the Mig-29 competitive at its BR without having to lower the BR.
Yeah I see what you mean, .5 Mach slower combined with the slow target acquisition of soviet radars… and IR missiles are slower still, 2.5 Mach tops R27ETs aside. But all they did was just make a bad problem worse
This happens on a regular basis. Turn left, turn right, recommit while climbing and the R-77 falls out of the sky.
F-16V though taiwan? is that real lol?
no i mean china getting it, considering how china and taiwan is