So they’re adding the R 77-1 and from what I’ve seen has a range of 110 Kilometers, but they’re not adding the Amraam C 5 which has a similar range of 105-120 kilometers. I don’t think adding those two together would break top tier or make it harder for russia to BVR as these two missiles are quite comparable. What are your guys thoughts?
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Marketing lies
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If R-77-1 have same air resistance as R-77 then it wouldn’t have those 120km and, at most, just as far as your HMD allows to lock on
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77-1 performs on level/better than 120A in BVR, while also being completely better in WVR
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Of course, soviets must be meta
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Uh how bout yall be happy with your F-15Es lobbing Aim120A/B at mach jesus that will hit before R-77-1 get in reach?
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According to stat card. According to them R-77 also have max range of 80km, but then struggles to hit anything within 15km
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That doesn’t make sense cause everything I’ve seen about this missile is that it’s quite potent at BVR
at best hits at 25km when launched from very high
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Stat card does not show actuall perfomance.
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R-77-1 can BVR, and R-77 struggles to hit above 20km, both will still be outperformed by 120s in BVR
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No, it does not. 120 still outranges it. The WVR advantage of R-77s is mostly for high off boresight launches within 2-4 km.
But most importantly, we need to wait and see how they model it.
R-77-1 has a slightly nozzle taper and a shorter burning motor compared to the R-77, that is it.
NVM, right now R-77-1 has slightly lower drag and a noticeably stronger motor than R-77. This seems to make it have longer straight line range than the AIM-120A but still worse range against maneuvering targets.
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Precisely. So take your “Russian bias” warcry, download the dev and we will see how good or bad it actually is
My god bro…
Istg everybody here is lobotomized or something.
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Typical US main post yk
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What have you seen about it?
And… thats it
Don’t argue with them. They’ll give themselves any possible excuse to keep things as is or make them worse for everyone else. Like they did with su-34, like they did with pantsir, like they did with era, etc. etc.
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IIRC the only real difference between the R-77 and R-77-1 is a bigger motor giving it longer range as well as a new seeker to hold tracking better. Depending on how it’s implemented it will likely still be a bit worse than the AIM-120A/B.
The AIM-120C-5 gets improved seekerhead, greater gimbal limits, new delta-fins that give it 40G overload while not losing more speed when turning and IIRC also beter guidance logic so it doesn’t waste energy as much.
It’s quite the difference compared to getting a few extra km ranger and a bit better radar lock.
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