So, From what I heard around these forums, the ussr really only has like 2ish top tier mbts left to add like the t90m (late) and maybe a handful of aircraft. (That aren’t one off side grade prototypes)
Is this going to kinda bottleneck the rest of the nations?
(using usa apfsds as an example cause its easy and I know that holding back armament is a way to balance but we have the br system specifically for that. Might even force em to increase the max br)
So more specifically, looking at apfsds rounds themselves the abrams are still using early versions of the m829 shells when the sepv2 could and mainly used a3 and a4.
Will we see the a3 When the v3 comes out or are we still going to be held back again because ussr already has their best round and basically no counter to against it with their era. Will we see the m1e3 at all or will it also be delayed for another 4 years till russia makes something better that’s in test trials?
This goes for every nation cause i know the Germans are still missing their top tier dm63/dm73 or the French with OFL 120 F1B/F1B+
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Probably yes. Gaijin seems to be hellbent on having russian equipment in the top BR no matter if it deserves to be or not and then to create balance they artificially buff and nerf (or straight up make up stuff) depending on that.
No, new additions isn’t influencied by one nation but the entire game. If adding, as example, an APDS-FS projectile with ‘anti-ERA tip’ do you think that only USSR and China would be affected, the major users and operators of explosive reactive armor? Obviously not, this change will affect everyone and at a point armor won’t really matter if Gaijin either adds missing armor or more ways to sustain this type of weapon, this is the reason why later ammunition wasn’t added in the first place as I can understand. The matchmaking don’t consider if in real life one nation is ally or friendly to another to consider never matching it against each other.
Abrams does not need M829A3, god forbid A4.
Game is not ready for next-gen MBTs.
Germany does not need either of those shells.
Neither does France, they could just get SHARD or have the Leclercs be placed lower in BR.
The question of the thread is not whether these vehicles need the aforementioned ammo. The question is if they will ever get them since giving them these ammunitions would be a leapfrog in capability that the Russian tree can’t match and gaijin seems to be very committed to having Russian equipment in top BR brackets
No, because T-14 exists.
The real bottleneck is Type 10 in Japan. @H_ngma and @PyroAddict
Type 10 could receive the French SHARD rounds, and they might be better than the Type 10 round, but it wouldn’t be the upgrade of armor of Abrams or T-14 + better rounds.
That would imply that Gaijin cared about having Japanes equipment in the top BR no matter the cost which they evidently do not. Japan will just get left behind, the USSR tree wont.
And the T14 is curently the last thing for Russian ground. After that it’s end of the line
No. They won’t. This is like placing the Ariete at ~9.0. It still has armor to tank some shells, but in return clicks on basically everything else. These rounds would be insanely unbalanced, and neither do we know much about them.
At one point in time Britain never had top tier tanks, players complained. The monkey’s paw curled, and it sent the current ones at lower BRs to top tier. Gaijin is adamant that every nation have a top tier vehicle, even if they don’t belong there (Challies, Leclerc, etc)
We literally know more about them than some of the russian equipment added in the past few months so thats not a reason.
Yeah thats what i said. The difference is just that at least of those (and a lot of other tanks) could be top tier material with the proper armor and ammunition there is just one major tree that can not keep up.
Oh yeah the devs are gonna cope hard when they’re bias finally hits a wall and they have to stop making NATO play with both hands tied behind thier back lol
It depends on what you’re on with Russia. In terms of vehicles in service. Then yes i agree Russia is doomed. the only thing they can get is t90m2, t90m arena, 2023/2024 t72b3m and t80bvm.But if gaijin decides on prototypes and complete vehicles. I see the obj219m begin a very solid tank if it was added next patch(Object 219M — The T-80BVM's superior precursor). but ofc we can have obj640,195 ect.
They could easily just go back and add various T80s and Cold War prototypes, then probably spam out the T90MS, T90M with Arena-M, T90M2, T95, T14, and Obj 219M,… Don’t worry, there is still plenty left to milk.
M829A3 and A4 would likely be worse ig since Gaijin probly isn’t going to model the anti ERA tips or does so poorly. And let’s be real, the main opponents to these aren’t exactly great MBTs, so does the US really need them? It’s the same with Germany: DM63 is gonna be copy pasta DM53 since it just have different propellant, and DM73 uses a more powerful charge with the same penetrator, so the difference is negligible.
The next phase will probably be up gunning to 130-140mm for NATO and 152mm for the USSR, rather than adding new ammo types.