still sit at 13.0 in Current state of the game
even there is a FOX-3 Carrier like Iranian F-14 with Fakour-90 in 12.3
J-8F that have HMS with PL-12 in 13.0
US F-16A ADF and Chinese MLU sit at 13.0 with no reason
still having AIM-9L(which right now is kinda unreliable) and AIM-7M/F kinda ok but you fight against FOX-3 most of the time since you sitting at 13.0
how are you suppose to fight in an uptiered with SARH AIM-7 while the other using ARAAM and R-77
“if you got a downtiered you having a blast” sure do if you do get that much type of the match when you get like 80% that matchmaking gonna put you into uptiered match
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F-16 can’t go down. Rather the surrounding planes should go up in BR. Ideally there should be a hard barrier where planes without ARH can’t meat SARH. Even better, F-16MLU should go up and recieve AIM120.
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Raise the BR Cap from 13.7 to 14.7 and thats it
and minimum BR for FOX-3 should be 13.3(Cry harder F-14 Spammer)
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I don’t understand why do you have to be so toxic. In the other thread you made, a player agreed with you and you attacked him. Here I agree with you and you tell me to cry harder.
Are you OK? Do you feel fine in the head?
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Same for the F-20A at 12.7 and getting constantly uptiered…its no fun.
However, even worse is the 11.3 bracket, I stopped grinding the Italien Tree until this gets fixed.
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J-8F is basically no more kinetic than the matching Gen 4 fighters.
He really only has HMS and PL-12 (only two).
If you let them play 1v1, F-16MLU will win. So is 13.0 correct for F-16MLU? Many of these problems are caused by the fact that the BR limit is still 13.7.
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i think the f14 is fine were it is in relation to the f16 at lest
while yes it does carry aim54 that’s a very bad missile with amazing range and payload
both f14 have a bad radar (front aspect only and wide notch window)
the f14a doas have terrible rwr and an extremely bad trust to weight ratio even worse at low speed
the f16 has amazing flight performance amazing trust to weight ratio. all aspect pd radar, 19km acm radar range(the f14 only 9km), not to mention you don’t have to think about wing angle making it so much easier to fly
also you have modern missile launch warning and all the other warning systems the f16 got
the normal F-14A/B is fine but the Fakour-90 for the IRIAF F-14A is kinda…
I don’t know the Fakour is an amazing missile
But the aim9g and aim7e-2/r27t are worse than the missiles the f14a has
its not about the missile or the plane itself, it’s about how the missile is used as early game position denial tool.
Which doesn’t work against competent players
So it’s a one of advantage
Also you can’t really up tier a plane because it rules the high/medium altitude at the beginning of the match but fails pretty much anywhere Else and will lose any advantage if put with other fox3 planes which are better in every single Way
It’s like looking at the sturer Emil and its 128mm gun and put it at 6.7-7.0 were the other 100+ guns are
there is a reason the f14b sits at only 12.7 despite it being a very extensive upgrade to the f14a(more flares,probably the best us rwr in the game excluding helis, better engine, targeting pods which instantly get outclassed by modern ones, aim9L )you are still stuck with terrible engine performance compared to the other 12.7+ planes, your radar is still similar to the radar of the f4j/f4s just slightly better and trading HMD for TWS. not to mention f14 are complicated planes because you need to use wing sweep so at lest 2 extra buttons to use during the heat of battle
Not to mention if the f14 doesn’t “rule” the Sky the r27er will
The high altitude will Always be the top dog playing feld
Before the 27er it was the territory of the F4j/British phantoms
there’s not a lot of 27ER that is being played these days. most of them are straight ass and the only thing worth using is 29G and that is part of the saddest air TT in the game after ww2.
Indirectly, it does. The FOX-3s carried at obscenely low BRs on the F-14s will deny your position, and likely kill near half your team. Even the best will not salvage a 16vs8, where the rest of your team is likely containing some bad pilots.
No it wont, it never even has.
If the weapons are overperforming relative to the rest of the competition, it must go up. That is like saying “A-10A should be 8.3 because its bad without its missile”
You will almost never find a duel situation in 13.7 games. In a plane made to get up close, you cant
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yeah fakour are crazy they track me notching below 50
the a10a has a very good missile and the aim54 is the worst missile of its type and can be avoided the only thing going for it is range which indirectly is a downside because people will hear the rwr going of and can just avoid it meanwhile there is no escape if the a10 gets an aim9l of against a target which does not have flares
the a10 br range is alot of early radar planes and even stuff without cm or rwr
meanwhile 13.0+ is a br were you want a combination of the best and even good missiles cant save a bad plane see the f4f ice
and at 13.7 you want a combination of the best combined with fox3 preferably 6+ of them.
basically planes with no weaknesses like the f15 f16 mig29 su27(which already gets enough hate for its radar rwr and energy preservation despite having much much more power to weight ratio and just can regain power if needed by flying straight )
its much more than that its also about regaining energy and get to the places you need to be. cant count how many times i have seen f14 just flying for ever trying to get back to speed/altitude and are an easy kill
notching and avoiding missile or simply navigating loses energy which you need to get back fast
There is another thing I remembered just now
Warthunder top tier is full of planes capable to hit 1400-1500 on the Deck
But that gives the problem you can’t turn either the plane locks up at Speed like the F-16 or you pilots blacks out for ever
So in order to not get f104 gameplay you need to change speed rapidly between 900ish and 1400-1500 something the f14 just can’t