Its genuinely dumb thats this modern spg that shoots 155 he every 5 sec is at the same br as heavy tanks
My main goal with this is to get the pzh too a higher br too keep the game fair
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Why?
We have SPG that shoots 120mm HE every 1.2 seconds at 3.7, whats your point
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right click, left click, kill at any range
Zero skill ever required
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I’d rather face PzH 2000 than any other thing at this battle rating, it does have laser rangefinder and a very potent high explosive shell but as we all know, battle rating placement depends on two things:
→ Average player performance on determined vehicle;
→ Initial battle rating placement (e.g., when VIdAr was added at battle rating 7.7 was quickly increased to battle rating 8.0);
Far from what I can see in battles and statistics, the average PzH 2000 player don’t perform very well despite all the feature the vehicle itself has to offer.
In that case the Maus should be 6.0
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Try facing one thats throwing shells at you from the other side of the map
The only similarity of the PzH 2000 to the Pz. VIII Maus is the size, only has the size and armor is coherent to it, it’s not right to compare both of these vehicles.
Pz. VIII Maus itself should’ve been in lower battle rating if others vehicle could compete with its armor, while at higher battle rating would make the vehicle more less efficient considering it would constantly face mid-60s machines that could easily outperform it in every aspect.
In this case I don’t believe that Pz. VIII Maus battle rating placement depends on player performance as very few owns it but rather pure balance, which PzH 2000 depends on all of these aspects. It’s a reality if you consider that the IS-7 is in fairly lower battle rating compared to the Object 279 for example.
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If War Thunder had maps confortable enough to house vehicles like these but a very few that doesn’t appear in the matchmaking each blue moon, then yes, the PzH 2000 at battle rating 7.7 with laser rangefinder would be a problem.
Purely performance wise the Pzh 2000 outperforms any other Rank 5 vehicle, let alone other 7.7s.
It has the most games out of any Rank 5 with the exception of the Leo 1 in the last months and performance wise the only vehicles outperforming it are rare vehicles or some lone French vehicle, all of which combined have less games than just the Pzh 2000.
So even very inexperienced players manage to outperform people in their E-100 XD
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The reason e100 has such good stats is that you pretty much have to have skill to own it because they were all from high skill tournaments.
Very, very few players own the E-100, comparing a extremely rare vehicle to spot in a match to a tech tree vehicle that is more common than a McDonald’s is the right argument? Regarding their stats also is dependant to the number of players playing it rather than skill.
Yes… and those players onaverage performe worse than players in the PzH 2000
I do not know what point you are trying to make here, but I know that it is not the point you believe you are making.
The Pzh 2000 (germany) has consistently been the single best tank at its BR since it has been introduced. The only bad stat is the winrate, which is in line with all other vehicles germany has at that BR. So it is german players losing while killing everything.
I am not comparing the E-100 to the PzH 2000, but the players. You would know that if you could read.
And comparing the performance of a vehicle exclusively played by the best players in the game to one played by the most players in the game is absolutely valid in making the point that it is overperforming.
EVERY SUPER RARE vehicle played by the best players in the game is outperformed by a vehicle played by people who strugle to get above 40% winrate.
THE WORST PLAYERS IN THE GAME perform better in the Pzh 2000 than the top 0.1% of players do in other vehicles, some of which are lauded as among the best at their BR
does this mean we can also have abrams at 3.7? it also has a 120mm gun but 5sec reload
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Considering the information provided by statshark.net, the PzH 2000 had a Kill/Death ratio of 1.00 which the E-100 had a Kill/Death ratio of 5.87 and (PzH 2000) it’s placed at 21st place in regards Kill per Death in the month of April 2025;
While the E-100 wins by stats, PzH 2000 wins in numbers, considering the Kill/Death ratio of 1.00 is clear the reason why it’s placed at battle rating 7.7: The average player skill is holding it.
Last time I watched a tournament; the same where the hoster was staring at a wall rather than the actual action and the players where in a demolition competition to see which destroyed most walls rather than enemy vehicles, it’s clear to me that is just worthless.
I don’t really know how you came up to that conclusion, but ok
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Considering the average K/d is not even close to 1 its absolutely overperforming…
Also why then is the HU version not at a higher BR with its much higher stats?
You can argue all you want, the fact of the matter is that the PzH 2000 is far too low in BR, as is the VIDAR both should be closer to 9.0
mean while you just HE a maus under the gun and no more maus cuz it overpressures tru the engine air intake.
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USA might ALMOST break 50% win rate with that!
Depends, there is a significant gap between the German and Italian ones performance:
Spoiler
Wasn’t the E-100 a prize for a tournament? that hardly seems tike a fair comparison given that one in in the tech tree and the other you had to win by beating other players. I get they could sell them some times but you still have most of them owned be E-sports sweats.
Thats caused by my mistake, I had the wrong chart open, so he corrected me on that
Ok I missed the context for that, makes more sense now, thanks for clarifying