And what do you expect after Gaijin pulverized Germany between 6.3 to 8.0 in the last BR changes, the stupid long ranges and sniping nerfs in ALL maps specially bad for germany tanks and move up tanks keeping nerfs like Panthers, Leopards and so on???
Here you have Germany win ratios one year ago before Gaijin decided the incompetent allies players need more and more hand outs.
Fighting is a strong word. More like explaining.
USA have bad win ratios: bad lienups, nerfs, see more powerfull enemies.
Soviets have bad win ratios : bad lienups, nerfs, see more powerfull enemies.
Germany have bad win ratios : bad players.
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This thread discusses German tank’s BR. It’s doomed to devolve into “German players bad” gossip.
It already did in mere 9 replies, even though no one actually defends Panzer IV H being at 3.7, most say it should be 4.0.
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Content creators fishing for easy likes be like:
These content creators channel their audience’s inner frustration with the game, creating a scape goat - le Germany bad. A scape goat other players can make fun of, because it has been sanctified by these Youtubers. This opinion then gets regurgitated on sites like Plebbit, which is basically just a hub of USA players.
I see players behaving like lemmings on all sides, not just Germany. That’s why “germany le bad” stance is just so ridiculous to me and oftentimes I just have to speak out against it, which then devolves into what you saw above.
Yeah, I think we all agree Pz IV should be 4.0 no problem, just place them back at rank III where they belong.
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“Panter2005”
“Flak_Dancer”
Even without checking your stats, just looking at your IDs, I can tell which nation you mainly play. I looked it up, and sure enough, you’re a German main.
You German mains coming out to defend Germany is the biggest irony.
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I hate the whole Panzer IV lineup. These tanks are too weak, even AA trucks lol kill it, as well as every plane with cal50… US fighters and others don’t even have to spawn with bombs, they just cal50 it. Mobility is not so good and the box armor is unforgivingly bad. Gun traverse is meh as well. The first versions can be even cal50ties through the sides. The pen doesn’t really matter that much, if everything else is as it is. US just spawn their fighters machine gun them. Russians and other spawn fast AA vehicles to lol bambambam it with 80mm pen autoguns.
The worst downside is actually the rank II issue. Its a waste of time to play vehicles below rank III.
When I play this BR range, I spawn the KV-1B and Churchill 3 as well as the Recon Puma. Especially the KV1 is just one BR tick higher and has far better mobility and handling. Super armor which is hard to come by. You won’t suffer to autocannons and cal 50. The 88mm pen are totally enough to deal with almost all threats.
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Instead of making it personal or stat-shaming other people try to bring valuable points to the discussion.
Just remember that you’re supposed to respect each other and there are always ways to politely disagree.
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What aa trucks you means? If the aa truck you refered to are Gaz-MM, Zis-12 or Sdkfz6/2=3 then I would say that is you problem. There is no medium tank this br range can stand a chance against medium caliber AA
100% for 4.3, the G also ought to be 3.7 and the Italian G at 4.0
Not matter the penetration skills only. The mobilty and armor also matter. PZ4H have weak front turrent armor(50mm). From this able to kill it with low BR tanks. Only experts able to use it most of them bleed when they enter close combat. More over sensitvy to Gun barrel, easy to knock out turrent crew and detonate his ammo with one shot.
Vehicle Knowledge need and you will realise why it stand on 3.7 and 4.0 BR.
The only reason why pz4h stand on 3.7 and 4.0 because need something which able to cope M4 shermans and T-34/76-s.
What? You slide around a corner in your truck (or also tracked AA vehicles) and start spraying. 50mm armor and the weak gunbarrel should be no issue for most of the AA trucks. The french one at 2.0 has over 70mm pen. When they notice they’re up vs. German teams they often spawn them and simply autogun any german tank from any direction except the captured KV-1 or Churchill. They don’t even need to flank, they just cruise through the levels and use SPAA like super gunhandling.
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You can’t just point the 50mm part without adding those additional 20mm track a front of it. Furthermore Cromwell and Chi-Nu II also having the similar front turret armour and without those additional armour
I am a german main myself and the Pz iv needs to be between 4.3-4.7. Its a perfect sniping tank
I’ve seen so many oblivious US and Soviet mains. Basically all the “oblivious” and stupid" players are within the US, USSR, and Germany. Germany can’t just be a scapegoat for everyone to blame on
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Chi-nu have better fire power thats why is higher than Panzer IV.
Perfect??? your stats with Panzer IVH are 24 deaths and only 4 kills!!!
Not only German tank, all nation also facing this problems and when you say Pz4H’s armour is weak had you see the Chi-Nu II, frontal also only have 50mm and survivability worse than Pz4 and yet it br higher than Pz4
Additional armor not mean to it got an immortal buff. In small shot and non pen AP rounds case just a single ticket to may it save but if addon track armor got hit, it will be fall off. In HEAT and HE case useless because the explosion caused pressure will hit the top HULL and you died… Again vehicle and mechanic knowledge need.
Cromwell is a bad example because it stand on 3.0 BR with 64mm turrent armor.
Chi-nu 2 also a bad example because it’s a premium tank and the practice show it will fight in lower BR opponent more over 75mm APHE round in Chi-nu 2 able to deal more postpone damage when the shot exploded.
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