And the KV-1 can be angled very effectively (like a Tiger 1), unlike the Pz IV.
vs KV-1S:
Wow, it’s a whole 3mm better. Except the KV-1S can also do this:
Oh look, now it’s 140mm EVERYWHERE on the hull and this is the KV-1 model with LESS side armor.
If we go to the KV-1 ZiS-5:
It’s 180mm everywhere with the exception of the very small MG and driver ports.
Yeah? What? i Said Upper plate thickness is the same isn’t it true? it is my point was that the PzIV has Armor not it has armor of a heavy tank at the same br that kind of expected isn’t it?
It doesn’t. That’s 97mm flat. The turret face is barely over 50mm. Any gun at this BR can pen that and at no point playing the 75mm M4s have I felt that Pz IVs were hard to penetrate. They’re free kills.
KV-1 has similar mobility to Pz IV H. KV-1 Sport is superior.
Also it doesn’t matter if something is TT or not. 4.7 is 4.7
Pz IV H could work at 4.0, but it is an easy kill even at its current BR, it can bounce 45mm APHE if it hits the track armor or the distance is above 500m. So basically 2.7 tank has to switch to solid shot and certain Italian vehicles will struggle. And that’s it. Everything else lolpens.
You seem to be running out of points
Firstly Pz IV users are incable of Skill
Yeah Gaijin allows Premium/Non tt more breathing space interms of balance
Wow, so you’re taking a guy with super good aim who knows all good spots on every map and give him a shit tank with good gun. Result: it works. I have better stats in Il-2 than 98% of Air RB players have with fighters. I guess IL-2 is a superior fighter aircraft then? Or maybe I’m just way better than average? Nah, can’t be.
Meanwhile M4 at 3.3 still stomps Pz IVH.
Everybody with over 10 000 battles should have that.
That depends on your definition of “good,” but I don’t really think someone like him camps.
Firstly, that’s BR 3.3, so you’re basically seal‑clubbing. Secondly, your plane stats in general are good, but your IL‑2 stats aren’t so great—there aren’t many battles, so you can blame that on a combination of luck and skill.
What kind of mindset says that 20 000 battles isn’t above average?
Yeah? It has almost the same BR as the previous version with the same gun. Are you going to pretend the average Pz IV user isn’t a noob?
You don’t even understand the GRB gameplay arc, so let me explain.
So of course Spookston will get good results. Does it prove the tank is good?
It only proves that the gun is OK as he would do well with a 2 soldiers riding tandem bicycle with a sidecar with panzerschreck attached.
Didn’t know he sits behind turret front armor.
I mean, 75L48 GENERALLY goes through at 300m, but there are some interesting spots.
While protection analysis indicates straight penetrations at most spots, I have shot this turret repeatedly and failing to pen over and over again.
But that’s beside the point. I don’t like playing T-34-57 but I’ve seen it perform great over and over again.
Can Pz IV work at 4.0
Sure it can.
Is it necessary for it to go up? No.
I’m just saying T-34-57 and 42 both have very trolly turrets and while 125 pen goes through, once it drops below that value, problems start.
Meanwhile Pz IV H vs 45mm cannon at 500m:
That just how war thunder is
Meanwhile Pz IV side can be penetrated at 11 degrees because Gaijin has SERIOUSLY broken some part of the code, as no way in hell this one should go through (and it’s not only Soviet shells - 75L48 will go through too, though the plate becomes 100mm equivalent against it, so US suffers as it needs like 15 degrees to pen)
The point is, nowadays Pz IV armor is paper. It used to be bad, but now the glacis is paper and any part of side that is ever visible can be penetrated.
I have played all the Pz IVs extensively. The M4s are way, way better in almost every way. The lower penetration barely changes anything.
You’re just wrong about its status in the game, idk what else to say.
its fine where it it is if it goes up shermans have to go up all 3.3 and 3.7 shermans as they have better armor for a worse gun with a stablizer
That’s why you don’t just sit in place (as wiggly seems to be doing for some reason)
You seriously still going on about that?
