The British made use of German made ammunition with Cuckoo and maybe with “Deserter” however I don’t know if Deserter saw combat like Cuckoo did.
As if Germany would produce 17pdr ammunition…
17pdr ammo used two driving bands just like the Panther ammo.
So the German 76,2mm shells wouldn’t work with the gun.
Not to mention the whole issue of producing 17pdr propellant cases with new percussion caps and all just for a few captured guns or vehicles.
Even without tank ammo they would still have plently of MG ammo or use it for all sorts of purposes.
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The only ammunition they produced for Captured equipment was for equipment they captured in extremely large numbers, around 1,300 Soviet 76 mm F-22s alone were captured, not even including other 76 mm towed guns or 76 mm armed tanks which shared the same ammunition
Compare that to the 17 pdr which they captured only in extremely small numbers and operated in even smaller numbers.
This can also be seen with their heavy use of the 76 mm guns in modified forms or on self propelled mounts as tank destroyers, something they never did with 17 pdr guns.
They also didn’t have access to the factories producing the ammunition, unlike the Soviet, Czech, and French guns they produced ammunition for.
i find unrealistic to believe that they would be producing their own ammunition for the 17 pdr, especially in such a late stage in the war where they had to worry about manufacturing ammunition for their own guns.
it’s even more unrealistic to expect this to be done with no mentions from anyone, no primary or secondary sources support your claim.
And where did you get the performance of these shells from? considering the AP round is a Soviet design with inferior performance compared to German and English AP.
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i believe you’re trying to say M4A3E2 76 (W), they captured no intact Jumbos and operated no Jumbos during the course of the war.
They did operate a few standard 76 mm gun tanks though.
We already have 2 captured fireflies in the Italian tech tree. we do not need a third.
Germany already has the best or 2nd best guns at almost all br brackets, it does not need the 17 pdr, period. Source: Germany is one of my main tech trees and im at 7.7
besides, this is just a sherman firefly, if you want to play it then just go to the UK or Italian tech trees and get it there. the Italians even get APDS for one of theirs.
Oh yeah also, the image used here is pretty cool since it shows the formerly-Canadian Firefly refit with a PaK 40 muzzlebrake.
This mod was most likely performed by the Germans, but it is in no way indicative of the tank firing German made ammunition.
Muzzlebrake swaps, while rare, defininitely happened at fairly small scales during the war
One fairly well known picture show an M4A3 (76) W equipped with a Panther muzzle brake, the tank most likely didn’t have a muzzle brake prior to this.
The Italian Fireflies are not captured, after the war while Italy was rearming its nation, they purchased large amounts of Western equipment, including many Fireflies and other Shermans, at the same time they were also repairing many damaged tanks left behind by the Allies after the war ended.
A fairly common trait among Italian Fireflies is the readdition of the hull radio operator, though never with his own dedicated machine gun.
Unfortunately, as far as i know, they never bought APDS for these tanks, so they shouldn’t have them in-game.
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The 76 mm ammo isnt of soviet design. They are adapted upscaled 75mm desinges but anyway.
Yeah mb, i thought they were copies of Soviet projectiles
M4A4 748 (a) ≠ Tiger/Panther. In that case, we should get a German Pershing tank(**). Additionally, if a M4A4 748 (a) is put into the game, then your side should only receive (if at all) something of equivalence such as a 7.5 cm KwK 42 L/70 armed Panzer IV chassis, the only ones that I can think of are:
to which Gaijin will probably say no to both…
() The Roer River Pershing knocked out by hits from a German 150 mm gun
() The Niehl Pershing knocked out by a Nashorn
(**) The Pershing Fireball knocked out at Elsdorf by a Tiger I
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Which of these sources cited the use of
I have not been able to find this. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Looks cool for a Battlepass or event/premiun. Yes +1!!!
no less captured tanks with no unique mods the better -1
unless it has something new that affects game play no
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Doesn’t need unique features, this vehicle was still fielded quite extensively by German tankers.
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I don’t like this captured version but if it was added as a battle pass prize I would be fine if the battle pass was about captured tech. Only in that situation, but otherwise good post good job.
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I guess this could in theory still go to Britain
Since there are some slight differences like the muzzle break, track extensions and armour patch I will say +1 although I still think other nations should receive captured and modified (no direct copies) vehicles (or the weird case of the British tested Jagdpanther that was up armoured)
i would like that ive had enough copy slop germany has so many domestic options to add
The one with the German muzzle brake and track armor would be perfect as a premium or BP reward.
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