It will do more good then making one as a bug report. That being said, honestly, at this point the missile will probably be implemented before a suggestion does anything.
“Forwarded as a suggestion”, is, funnily enough, not suggestion mod territory, so I don’t fully know. From my understanding though, forwarded as a suggestion would be for cases where the implementation in game is intentional as is, regardless of accuracy.
i fkn cannot understand how my derby report about the F-16C Block 40 got “forwarded as a suggestion” but the Python-4 for the SUFA DONT!!!?!? SERIOUSLY ANYONE CAN EXPLAIN THIS BECAUSE I DID THE SAME STEPS IN BOTH REPORTS LMAO
Not rly
Yes it is, in the F-15’s case another one already got the better engines, while there is no such precedent for the Python 4
Derby is already in game, python-4 isn’t.
(In the game files is not the same thing as being implemented in game).
All nations has their 4th gen
So yea its better then the rest 4th gen thats why we saying it can come with nerfed irccm
And also tge f15e wasent rly needed cuz usa had other top tier aircraft but israel needs this missile
There isn’t a python 4 in-game in a different nation so it is a different situation from there being PW-229 in another tree
Israel can get the 9M and it got the AIM-120, it doesn’t need it
nono look at the time i did that report of the derby, the F-16C in the first devserver of that update 1 year ago didnt have the derby only amraams the derby was added later thanks to my report this is the same case am just reporting a missile missing from an aircraft like i did before sooo WTF?! am doing literally the same thing like i did before but 1 was accepted as a suggestion and the other one just got a “NOT A BUG” HELL NAH i cant with this double standard honestly.
Sure but there is other 4th gen missiles
Not historically accurate and underpowerd
f16i doesnt have aim120b so its extreamly vulnerable in close range and its not good at bvr against smt like ef2k or f15e (same br btw) and it has only 6 missiles
Give me a reason why shouldnt python 4 come(with nerfed irccm ofc)
Why cant israel ever get somthing good man?? ,we always get pure copy and paste. Theres a reason why i played israel and its for the reason of playing modifed american aircraft with unique powerful israeli weapons , gaijin just keep doin c&p ,c&p . At this point remove israel as a nation because we bearly have anything unique added
Bug moderator plays little god and picks and chooses. Then Snail plays bigger god and picks and chooses bug reports.
Simple as.
P4 is controversial missile, being better than its would-be contemporaries, while being inferior to “actual next gen” IR missiles like 9X/MICA IR/IRIS-T, hence Gaijin installed Python 5 right from the start on SPYDER.
Then there’s issue of Python 5 sharing airframe with P4, known upgrades being seeker, plausible upgrades being motor. Which implies flight model of this otherwise not thrust vectoring missile was already good enough to not warrant an upgrade there.
Derby bug report went without a hitch as you’ve met “compliant” bug mod, then Derby is a downgrade over AMRAAMs, so even easier to pass this through. If you were to ask for Python 3 for Sufa or 15I, it probably would be smoothest bug report ever.
Upgraded airframe
Python 5 is lighter and probably has less drag
Thats what gives it its increased range and energy rotation to do a full 360
Also motir is the same but it has thrust adjusting or smt
Dont think it has less drag due to sharing same body and fin design, maybe just maybe due to bein lighter it might have so slightly less drag.
Until you have some hard sekrit documents, Gaijin will continue to assume its the same.
P4 and P5 have the same weight and same propellant weight, slightly rearranged motor burn times. Different PID guidance table, P5 has higher max AoA for the fins and marginally higher fin acceleration. Thats it for flight model related stuff.
We know its not exacly the same body ot just based on p4
This isnt true even by rafael look at their site
And gaijin assume alot of things by themselfs so they can make python 5 with less drag as well
They can also assume its AIM-9B with 3d printed shell on it to look more menacing.
Just wanted to break down the arguments against adding the Python 4, y’all tag whatever devs should see this to actually get consideration:
“The game isn’t ready for the Python 4 to be added with its full seeker capability so we can’t add it.”
“Israeli planes can mount the Aim-9M so it’s not necessary to add more missiles with artificially nerfed capabilities.”
“Okay well even if you did adapt the IRCCM to be artificially nerfed into one of the existing types modeled in-game, the Python 4 would still be too powerful because of it’s kinematics, what will the other nations do?”
This notion that all nations have to have exact counterparts at all times to balance each other has almost never held true. The addition of modern ARH missiles to every nation in the same patch is the only example I can think of where Gaijin really pulled it off well. I could sit here all day listing out each time the meta was unbalanced after the latest addition for whatever nation. The MICA currently stands out as a shining example of my point, as the only ARH with an improved seeker, despite more advanced variants of missiles in the form of AIM-120C5 and R-77-1 having been added since then.
The power level of top tier has surged immensely with the addition of Eurofighters, Rafales, SU-30s, and F-15Es. Are we really going to pretend that adding an IR missile that turns hard and goes kinda far to a plane with mediocre flight performance and a noticeably disadvantaged number of missile hardpoints is somehow going to rock the world of top tier Air RB in 2025?
It’s been in the files for two entire years, there’s clearly been some level of consideration. Add it for the Sufa with balanced IRCCM. Make it a worthwhile and unique addition to the tech tree and not completely DOA in the world of 14.0+. Thanks for your consideration.
Well said
Also note that all nation got their 4th gen ir missiles exept israel
you know what? I ABSOLUTLY FKN AGREE WITH THIS THANK GOD YOU SAID EVERYTHING I WANTED TO SAY FOR A LONG TIME MAN! WELL FKN DONE. THE EXCUSES ARE DRAINING OUT THE TRUTH ITS FINALLY EXPOSED.