4 FNF who are absolutely horrible. You can shoot all four at the same target and often not achieve a kill. On top of that the PUMA’s armor is entirely gimped, and a 20mm can easily disable the entire thing.
Other tanks with the same FNF sit at 10.7. Which honestly feels like a closer match for the PUMA VJTF. The regular one could also go down somewhat.
Spikes are not horrible
yeah guess which one im talking bout
The one at 11.0, with spikes. But that’s just a rough and wild guess…
It can casually soak up 120mm APFSDS, 152.3mm HE, and hundreds of rounds from autocannons broadside without dying.
It is not a fragile vehicle. It ain’t as survivable as BMPT, but still.
They absolutely ARE horrible. You can fire all four at them at the same tank, score hits and do virtually nothing to it. The way they work in WT currently is atrocious. And basically all SPIKE throwers aside from the PUMA VJTF and Namer are at 10.7.
@Pangolin_Fan It can’t soak a 120mm APFSDS unless you hit it anywhere but the turret, HE overpressures it reliably, and auto cannons absolutely shred it from the side or disable it from the front.
12.7 levels of protection / 11.3 levels of firepower / 10.3 BR
BMPT’s should be no lower then 11.3
But has 4x 1200mm pen tandem missiles capable of killing 12.7 MBT’s frontally and can fire all 4 on the move
besides the fact its role is that of infantry support like an IFV, the sole reason its classed as a tank destroyer is to give it access to a ammo box, solely because gaijin wanted the thing to remain broken as much as they could.
OK WE have Genius Stalker here. Again. Of Course do i use the PUMA brainless in Stockgrind. Spending Hours watching YouTubers we’re the best snipingspot ist to pull Up my K/D Ratio. If U are good Player Like, U want to. U know the Impact of spading the vehicle and an Ace-Crew. And if i would use the Like i know what to do with IT my k/d would be better. But Stockgrind, Trail and Error. After spading, getting expierice how to use it. K/D raisrs constantly. But holy Shit Ur are the man.
It was you throwing around uncalled for personal attacks and insults, claiming the PUMA and Spikes are good and anyone who isn’t using both to great success is just “brain dead” and similar nonsense. When both couldn’t be further from the truth.
It’s Not the Puma that IS Bad. Of Course Spikes are Not Great. The Pen of that 30mm is, also Not good. But If U know that Lags. U have to find a way to aviod it. If useed Like a Russian BIas MBT un gonna die instand. But Flaking, use of Ur Drone, Terrain (for each Map). That are all Lessons U have to learn. So i know when i Play Stupid and Die. but i know i played stupid and start Not crying how Bad the vehicle is, because my lag of Knowlege. So what is Ur Point?
Here’s my take on the PUMA
It’s not bad in comparison to other light vehicles like the desert warrior or cv90, however, it pales in comparison to what the BMPT can do.
Obviously, the BMPT is overtuned af, and a litany of things could be implemented to make it less powerful. (Reduced accuracy for the 30mm, especially when firing apds, for one)
But the PUMA compared to everything else at this era is capable. Of course, the puma is still not as good as *certain light tanks, but I’d put that more on the basis of br compression than the PUMA being underpowered.
10.7 will be very nice for it
Lmao, I know you are a German main but at least open some other trees once in a while.
KF41 exists and is way more fragile than the Puma.
I would take literally all the CV90s over the PUMA. Not only are they lower in BR. They pack a bigger punch, aren’t as easy to disable, just as survivable if not more so, and the SPIKE one is just plain superior sitting at 10.7 instead of alone at 11.0 with no other vehicle.
For the people saying the PUMA is survivable and screeching about “opening other trees”. Have any of you even touched the PUMA much less the VJTF since it was brought into the game? The thing can be overpressured with HE to the useless MUSS cone. You can hit tanks with all four spikes to no effect. It’s gun overheats within a few shots.
Oh and it has so many modules it that all disable it that a single 20mm hit often times takes it out of commission ensuring it loses most throw downs with other auto cannon tanks. Who can tank several hits and keep firing. It’s armor scheme is also complete ass, unless you can hide everything but the turret, you will get shredded by 30-40mm auto cannons and above. Because similar to the Namer which is in the same situation, it’s armor is barely even functional or modelled.
The PUMA might’ve been op when it was introduced at 8.3. But at 11.0 it’s absolute crap, especially with all the nerfs it has received.
Might be something to do with HDR if you use it
With the terminator at 10.7, was 10.3, alot of IFV with autocannons need to have their BR reconsidered. The PUMA 10.3 is one. The 11.0 is complicated as Gaijin thinks FnF missiles is op when it’s not. Most IFVs have weak armor but has an autocannon to compensate. The terminator has armor of a MBT, an even faster autocannon, and missiles that can be fired on the go and controlled, setting a new standard for autocannon vehicles.
FnF exist at 10.7 and honestly that’s where the Spike PUMA and Namer belong. Regular PUMA is overtiered as hell nowadays.
I think 12.7 is too high. 11.7 would do as it is right now, maybe 12.0 with APFSDS. It of course isn’t at utterly indestructible as everyone says, but it is far more durable than the T-90M or T-72B3, of which the hulls are used for the BMPT/-72. And honestly Gaijin shouldn’t stick the ammo box there just to spite everyone calling it OP (because it is), and also said ammo box probably shouldn’t be universal to one or two vehicle classes, only explicitly low ammo vehicles (and the BMPT does not need that)
But also, other things like the BTR-82AT should go up, I see absolutely no reason for it being 9.0 with a Kornet
