Puma BR

[CollectorOfSins]

So Puma is 0.7 BR higher. Lets see why.
Puma:
2 Spikes, reload, then another 2 spike missiles. More pen but top down attack is not modeled in game and you can’t control the missile.
One 30mm cannon, slow firerate, 40mm more penetration with apfsds. If shot in turret, gun is taken out but crew survives.
APS laser dazzler but not helpful as you must be looking in the direction of the missile.
ERA on the sides but only protects from HEAT. Engine block cannot stop APFSDS.

BMPT-72: (BMPT is very similar)
4 ATGM, reload, then another 4 ATGM. Can control missile and rapid fire all at the same time.
Armor protection of a MBT with spall liners and excellent ERA. Will stop APFSDS on 80% of the tank.
Mobility is slightly less than puma but both still faster than MBT.
Shoot gun turret and only one gun is taken out if you shoot the belt. Most of the turret is empty space and disabling electronics will not prevent terminator from shooting. Belt is also considered external so crew will survive and can shoot back with the other gun.
Two 30 mm autocanons with faster firerate.
Secondary gun can kill light vehicles better.
BMPT has 5 crew members so more survivable.

Ok actually there seems to be a problem here…

[Caernarvon02]

what a braindead attempt at defending BMPT.

its only a couple tons more than an ajax and is used exactly how a light tank is.

It also blatantly overpowered, it should be 12.0 easily

[H_ngma]

Uhuh

[Wotan_Eins]

4 Shoots. 4 Pops. Soo.

[Mk_lolorex]

no one says its Indestructible but its still better then the puma amored

[H_ngma]

4 shots 4 pops, T90M to 10.3 now please
(Also why the f does windows crank up the brightness when im taking a screenshot)

[Necrons31467]

Type classification is irrelevant, Battle Ratings are what matter.

Vehicles at a given BR should ideally have roughly equivalent performance, regardless if one is a light tank and the other a tank destroyer.

[Sean74218]

PUMA is the most fragile IFV in the game. It has so many components when hit with even a 20mm will immobilize the entire vehicle.

[Wotan_Eins]

I Like the Wiesel too.

[Артас]

2s38 pops from a single dart to fuel tank
delulu

[我完全不会讲中文]

11.0? So the PUMA VJTF and Namer should go down? Because nowhere in hell are those three tanks remotely comparable in War Thunder.

[Morvran]

Puma at 11.0 has FnF Spikes and Gaijin thinks those are good enough for blanket large BR increases

[Morvran]

Autocanon tank vs autocanon tank.

True BMPT has the armour of an 11.7 or 12.7 MBT. But its still closer to the Puma, Ajax, CV90, etc than the Abrams, Leopard, Challenger, etc

Though if we arent treating it as a light tank, then I hope it goes to 11.7/12.7 respectively

[我完全不会讲中文]

No, it really can’t. A simple hit with HE to the turret instantly destroys it. And otherwise even a 20mm hit usually disables it. Meaning that as soon as it goes up against any other IFV with 20mm+ it’ll just be instantly disabled and taken apart.

It’s armor is also virtually non existant in game, and Spikes are uless.

[Wotan_Eins]

If the IVF Puma is used brainless. Indeed.

[Armen_Lozone]

even better.
theyre more comparable to kornet then

[Armen_Lozone]

i want the BMPT to be higher. and yeah maybe the puma and all other such vehicles should go down but id rather have decompression and keep the puma at where it is. also

gaijin gib puma its real armour!!!

[Mk_lolorex]

Do i hear there deutsch and yes i agree decompression should come. and proably rework the spikes

[Armen_Lozone]

its so damn easy to give them the proper loft and top attack code but gaijin just isnt doing it.

idk which nations tanks would suffer most from a highly volatile autoloader directly below the crew in the turret

[TRaFFaT]

That’s cuz of “IR MISSILES — +0,7-1.0 TO BR, NO MATTER THEY ARE GOOD OR NOT”. Same with ec665 UHT, which has no gun, no IRCM, but he has pars and that’s enough for snail to give it 13.0. even if these pars are terrible in their damage. 13.0 just because they are IR