Realistically the Leo Marksman is a worse ZA 35 at a higher BR, besides moving it up just means they don’t have usable SPAA for their lineup. If that means Tridon with prox shells gets added then sure but again it cant move up since its only good at AT, its not a great radar spaa thsnks to the wide guns.
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SomuaSM is gonna be funny soon
Yep, I’d love to see the Tridon though
The itpsv and the veak spaa they have are good. Your own stats destroy your own argument. They don’t need buffs, they need more accurate brs for their performance. Veak is better balanced now, itpsv needs to go up in br.
It’s very mobile, with a good hull, good radar, and good cannons. It’s multi roles exceptionally, can and will often block shots to the hull.
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My stats? My Leo Marksman is a better TD than spaa yeah but the veak, lol ive played it 5 times since it lost HE-VT, i despise that thing with a passion. Ill take the ZSU-37-2 for the consistent fire rate and radar. The Veak is one of the worst spaa at 7.7 having to reload after 40 shots with abysmal velocity and fire rate makes it useless unless within .8km or unless the pilot is brain dead.
Veak 40 falls into the same boat as the Leo which is that it fails to be a decent spaa and must be played as a TD. Hm would you look at that follows a similar trend of other SPAA disguised as TD’s, ironically the best spaa on sweden from 2.7 until 10.3 is a TD with HEVT.
Again if you’ve actually played these vehicles pls do post your stats since you’re such an expert on them. Additionally bringing up my stats on the Veak says you literally had no idea about its current state considering it was only good when it had HE-VT there was a huge reason it stayed 8.7 and not 9.0 like the Sergeant York. Between my last 10 games between the Veak and the ZSU-37-2, the ZSU has allowed me to engage targets from 2.5-3km veak has failed to engage effectively past .9km the chassis and the poor mobility of the ZSU-37-2 are the only downsides, even when i need to engage tanks i find it to be on par with the Veak so between the two the Veak is the weaker vehicle. Of course if we check your stats youve never even touched the tree so how you apparently know how good the vehicle is must be magic since you dont actually have any idea what you’re talking about.
The m247 could probably go to 9.3 too.
My stats show that the Veak and itpsv are both well and capable.
In fact they are equal to the zsu-37-2
The zsu-23 is far worse in comparison.
But maybe I shouldn’t blinded rush in my itpsv and my kd will sky rocket.
Which ZSU-23 one with or without radar?
Literally any of the 35mm spaa so why you chose the Leo Marksman is beyond me, both the ZA-35 and Leo are on par, ZA has better accuracy since its guns aren’t as far and its faster but lacks apds.
Also aside from the Veak when it had the HE-VT our KD’s would essentially lineup(minus your KD for the Leo Marksman as you barely pull a 1.0 kd since you’re going 44 deaths and 47 ground kills, strange for a vehicle you claim to be easy to pull ground kills in you dont seem to be doing great.) Regardless showing that the vehicles are better suited to TD than SPAA which means that an actual SPAA should be added to the TT. Your stats essentially show you either ignore your roll as spaa or you just aren’t able to deal with enemy air. I dont have your clips nor do i care enough.
Also your ZSU-37-2 KD seems odd, you claim the Veak is better yet you have way more air kills in it and a lot less focus on ground kills. Maybe its because its actually a good spaa and fill that role better? Sustained fire and good rpm are quite effective against air, though i guess the reload and slower RPM of the veak is better suited to hunting light tanks and the sides of mediums
Further apart guns = higher dispersion and span = higher chance of clipping a wing, engine etc.
I didn’t just chose the itpsv, if you look. All the good spaa when up.
The radar one zsu-23
Which ZSU-23 with the radar lmao, we have one with and without missiles
I know which one im just being sarcastic
People do quite well in the itpsv. I’m not strategically playing it tbf. If I do I’m sure it’ll jump.
Also I didn’t get to play the Veak during its reign of heVT, meaning my stats are quite good according to you.
Further apart might help but i find it to be worse, comparing it with my type 87 on japan i find a bit higher area towards my anti air roles while still having a large focus on TD(though the ability to angle the hull to get more gun depression on hills makes for crazy plays people just aren’t ready for, definitely recommend)
ZSU has the worse radar, and I have played it more…? This I understand it better…?
I honestly cant tell them apart between the 37-2 and the Veak, as for the 23-4 it feels the same maybe a bit more touchy? Than the 37-2 radar wise, i end up just unlocking target when people get within a kilometer since it just throws my aim off.
Regardless i think we’ll agree to disagree, don’t bother pinging me again on this topic
sounds like ru/ger mains can’t handle playing a game where they can’t lol pen a single tank
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I mean, I think the T-62 would probably be fine at 8.3 considering how power crept it is at 8.7
So let me ask you this.
T-62-M1? It’s 9.0, but has bigger weak points than the the T-55AM.
I think it could stay 9.0, but they give it a thermal, as a certain conflict showed that it’s very easy to add thermals to it.
Seeing as the M60A1 TTS is also 9.0, but with thermals, a good dart, LRF, I see them being balanced then.
Oh, you want arguments to your biased takes?
If you want to move Ho-Ri up, do so with the Ferdinant/Elephant and Jagdtiger too. Jagdtiger has better frontal projection than the Ho-Ri Production yet sits at 6.7 vs 7.3, it also has a better capped shell but doesn’t face 8.3 with APFSDS shots and ATGSM. In fact, the Ho-Ri Prototype should go down to 6.3, and the Production should go down to 6.7. Both of those got significant nerfed from their introduction, they aren’t as speedy anymore, the sides are paper, all they have is reload, but with an uncapped shell and T-54 like armor, you will be bouncing 50/50.
Type 60 SPRG is not a rattier M56 it’s a recoilless carrier, worse than a heat-fs, APCBC, HESH slinger in every possible metric.
M56: 29 ammunition storage (HESH, APCBC, HEATFS, APCR, HE, SMOKE), 4 crew, 6.0s reload, smaller.
Type 60: 10 ammunition storage (HEAT), 3 crew, 10s reload, larger.
ST-A3: No armor, no reverse, big as a barn, not stabilized, autoloader 6.0second reload only boon, 6.7 is fine.
Type 61: It’s the same as A3, except worse because of no autoloader, 6.7 perfectly fine.
Type 61 Has no autoloader I believe you never played some of the vehicles you keep wanting to balance, feelings and what you see in game is not how this works, you need to play those vehicles to experience it.
Type 99: they can move it up to 7.7 or even 12.0 when they include all the missing things, such as laser rangefinder and other missing features. Also, it’s not about how much HE filler should be seen by 6.3s or not is not a valid argument. Again, this isn’t about how you feel, you have like not played that thing, so you keep talking about what you observe, not the way to balance. You’re telling me the Type 99 is .3 worse than VIDAR with laser rangefinder & thermals? Funny you don’t want to move the VIDAR to 9.0, no mention of it.
I don’t care about the Tiger, 6.0 is fine.
Now here’s your arguments. Play the vehicles first before you want to balance them.
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I agree with the Ho Ri kinda but i have a very good KD in it. I think the production is good at 7.3 but i think the Ferdinand and jagd could move up tbh.
Also type 99 should stay 7.3 its huge and has paper thin armor, essentially bait for 90% of targets.
Vidar to 9.0 it would be meh, its fine occasionally but 8.7 would be the highest it should go, at 8.7 it already it worse than a few other vehicles as most have stabilized barrels and LRF, and or they have thermals and LRF like the amx-10RC so moving it up to 9.0 which is silly because you arent thinking about what its opponent’s are. At 8.0 is where the Panzer 2000 should be imo
Also i thought the type 61 had a 6 sec autoloader? Its been a hot minute since i played 6.7 since type 75 was my main vehicle alongside the type 60.
On the topic of the type 60 i think it and the m56 are on par, type 60 as very good gun depression and dual barrels, imo i enjoy it over the R3 T106 which is 8.0 with the same gun, id say the Type 60 is on par if not better for most maps than the M50
If you dont agree with my takes check my KD i orefer Japan to the US for these BR’s