I find it to be having one of the best armor in its respective br even compared to other casemates, I was often getting away with doing things my Tiger 2 would get killed otherwise, other casemate with underrated armor is the Ho-Ri but I do not have first-hand experience with it, I bet the survivability of the Ferdinand/Elefant also has to do with the fact that it can reverse as quickly as moving forward.
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The elephant has the better transmission that’s pretty much the only difference.
T34 6.7
T29 7.0
I believe IS-2,
And others can pen the case mate.
It is typically better than other case mates sure, but they all have pros / cons.
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10.0 was top tier, and 10.0 is where guided missile spaa, better MANPADS spaa etc really come into play, so that is why I picked that number. Level has no bearing on skill, you surely know this. Using this as your source is beyond laughable. But hey, a sub 1.5 kps player surely knows what he is talking about, what do I know?
Statshark, that uses the game’s own statistics. Basically an improved thunderskill. Among others it keeps track of recent sessions you played for vehicles, including number of matches, wins, spawns, deaths, air kills and ground kills. It also keeps track of RP and SL earned.
Not as if 3000 hours is a small amount of play time is it anyway.
What did
- My stats in the king tiger
- Where the more skilled player base play BR bracket wise.
- Your tournaments or stats in any vehicle.
Matter in the bearing of moving the king tiger up?
You literally said
you brought up your playtime as a source
Edit: stat shark isnt much different from thunderskill at all and shows near enough the same data.
And isnt a particularly reliable site.
When did i bring level into it?
Were both level 100s,
You with about 3 times as many matches as me if i remember your stats rightly (not at the pc)
You haven’t used top tier CAS.
Its that simple, have you fought against the list of jets with ARH Missiles whilst also dodging SPAAG, and even helicopters?
Have you tried using a platform that isnt the absolute peek of meta in top tier as cas ? Its a nightmare to do.
Compared to say an f8f where you can literally fly in almost uncontested drop 1000lb bombs and bugger off before anyone gets a shot in
The game is not just kills.
Its captures, assists, spotting and helping the team.
Which is why the stats should show captures, assists, etc.
The 3000 thousand hours and 15000 thousand matches nearly in the game is where i get my opinion from and experience.
Youve not actually rebuked anything about the stars of the vehicles ive said and went straight for attacking me based on my stats alone.
Cmon son act your age.
Average players are 1.0 K/D
Good players are 2.0 K/D
Great players are 3.0+ K/D
It also depends on the tank, a 2:1 K/D in a bad vehicle is more impressive than 3:1 K/D in a great one.
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Statshark’s main use is for air modes, and the fact that it actually separates GRB and ARB and ASB and GSB.
Why?
Because it differentiates killing A.I planes and player planes. You can easily rack up a massive K/D on Thunderskill by just killing a.i aircraft and it will be none the wiser for it. Check on statshark and…
I go from 1.0 K/D ratio in ASB to 0.45.
For ARB, I go from “1” and splitting it, “0.3 air frags/spawn” to statshark giving me 1.08 air kills/spawn. Why? Thunderskill also includes me flying CAS into air frags/spawn.
It also considers last month vs lifetime while thunderskill seems to display lifetime only.
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You bring in something that is not even war thunder related, putting up a strawman argument that has no bearing on the conversation. How do you know statshark isn’t reliable? Please tell me where you got the info on this. I have used top tier cas. It is not particularly hard.
All of this is correct yes, and that is why statshark is so much more reliable.
Okay so-
you brought up stats
you brought up player base skills in certain br pools.
you did not respond to my pointing out the tiger 2 sla statistically is close to the t29.
Not me, so its you whos putting up straw men and changing the topic and id like to see what i brought up that isnt war thunder related? Quote it for me mate.
Neither of these sites are reliable and i tend to use neither to justify a persons stats, comparing to checking in game and calculating on my own.
on the topic of this as well.
most people dont have time to go and try play a masterclass match every single game, to achieve a 2.0 KD with every spawn just isnt gonna happen, sometimes you slip up, sometimes your teams gone before you get a chance to have a match more than 4 minutes long, especially higher BRs.
There are many mitigating factors to matches, the BR, uptiers, team composition etc.
To say someone not getting said 2.0kd with every spawn is sickening is an incredibly elitist and mind numbingly ingorant statement in of itself.
It’s easy for you to say that after god knows how many thousands of hours and literally over 30 thousand matches.
Also on further analysis of your stats ive come to realise something.
You used the comet, on its own for a very long time some 300 battles more than any other british vehicle, that shows me youve been one deaht leaving with it.
Same shows for the STA-3- you have hundreds more games in that than the next closely related BR tank.
Type 89 - the same hundreds of games in that yet it sits with no lineup near it.
So in conclusion, you mostly have padded stats out as a one death leaver, going literally by the the composition of your own stats.
T80B as well, unless you took the BMP3 and BMP2 up to 10.3 at the time as im assuming you dont touch it now as you dont think its skilled to use it.
I suggest, strongly, that you do the same as me, with this final reply, respond about the BR changes suggest, and the vehicles statistic.
And not bring other peoples stats, or whatever other nonsense youd like to go on about into it and make it go so far off topic.
me and @MotorolaCRO have had very lengthy discussions and disagreements on vehicles, on various threads and never has it descended into this stupidity.
I have no idea why you, a person with so many hours, games and experience decided to start clawing at stats, barely responding to anything about the tiger 2 and T29.
bar the T29 having better turret armour n 3 .50 cals thats it, you wnet straight on the attack with me, over how I perform with said vehicles. and now have catalysed this ridiculous nonsense.
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Can check on WT stat cards now if im.not mistaken AI kills and whatnot.
As i sain in another reply, neither site id use, I prefer to number crunch myself as its quite easy to do.
However the person habby i cant find on either thunderskill nor skillshark.
something tells me you never played a khrizantema before
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Why are you even arguing with a blatant clubber ?
I bet he clubs lower tiers with fully bushed up tanks and Ace crews. The higher he climbs, the worse his stats become but somehow 5.0 - 7.7 is the most skilled range. That’s interesting.
Doesn’t help that his clubbing aircraft of choice are WW2 US planes that are notorious for being oppressive.
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go compare his german stats. panther A sits miles above the rest.
yet im the one with the skill issue.
going by what he says everyone needs to be sitting iwht a minimum 2.0 KD to even be relevant, which outwith playing with squadrons and squads is neigh on impossible.
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I forgot about playing in a full squad as well.
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Massive difference between playing in a 3 or 4 man, heck even 2 man squad compared to playing solo.
with nearly 32 thousand games under his belt hes surely omiting alot. and the fact he has one rank 8 unlocked with all those games screams clubber to me.
Plus go check his stats, all that chat about the T29 being better than the SLA and as far as i can see he doesnt even have the T29
EDIT: you will however see a T34 heavy tank, with 22 games in it. he has about a 2.5 KD in the T34 with the little games he has.
The tiger 2 H, (not the SLA premium which is slightly different more HP, extra turret armour with the tracks and -6 degrees gun depression over the engine deck opposed to the standard H having -2)
he has 230 games and substantially more kills to his deaths. 4.095 (so 4.1 KD) in the Tiger 2 H
he has literally 4 times as many kills as deaths in the tiger 2 yet will say the T29 is the under BR’d vehicle while the Tiger 2 sits at 6.7 his stats ALONE show it should be 7.0
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People bringing up sites like thunderskill and statshark, despite how easily influenced they are by certain factors, yawn. Stat Shark, for example, particularly values winrate more than thunderskill. Win rate can be influenced by plenty of factors, including playing in a squad, playing a certain nation at a gifted BR for that nation. When I cite these sites on this forum for the petty debates we have here, it’s usually to show that a player has not played a certain nation or vehicle that they have an opinion about, and how they’re biased by this.
Something new of interest:
One should not be surprised this fella is chat banned, aye. I would be interested to see if he can keep his winrate up while playing USA at higher BRs. Maybe he can help the USA get above that 30% winrate.
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precisely what i meant when i said both sites arent entirely reliable as a base line.
Maybe for a generalised idea of a nations win rate.
for example, Habby has 180 games more in the panther A than his next most used german vehicle in rank 4. IF we pool rank 3 as well in his next most used vehicle is the T34 747.
Funnily enough, non of these vehicles statistically can have been used in lineups, lets say his panther A he spawns with the jagdpanther, there was 180 games where he did not spawn any other vehicle.
well go higher BR, his most used rank 7 is the T80B which sits at double the amount of battles as the T72B which is the next tank not SPAA.
His M1A1 sits at 227 battles more than the IPM1.
See the trand? he is a one death leaver
Yet he seeks to bring my stats into this. Im one of the few people who will throw an entire lineup into the flames to try win, which is why my over all KD on thunderskill is what 60 something percent last i checked.
overall on GRB im roughly 55 percent.
Nah but hell spend another 2000 games at 5.7
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