He has them unlocked for sure, but doesn’t play them as clubbing potential surely isn’t as high.
It’s also funny that he has similar amount of games played in two rank 4 vehicles (T20, Bulldog) as with all rank 7-8 combined.
Judging by his squadron, I’ll bet my money he absolutely loves to squad up, take out fully bushed tanks with Ace crews and club low tiers.
Imagine going through all that just to present yourself as skilled in a game without any real representation of skill.
His winrates aren’t really that high either, especially considering he’s playing mostly vehicles that can be considered meta. I’ve met much better people with better K/D and WR across the board, not just on the vehicles with suspiciously low BRs.
I wouldn’t say a lack of interest in modern platforms makes one a clubber.
Warthunder used to be a WW2 game. It used to be top tier was things like Me262, Mig15 and the like.
Now, ground is less drastically different than air (Rank I-V: Dogfighting, BnZ gunnery, fights occur at less than 0.8 km effective range except for hail mary snipes. Rank VI: Dogfight rear-aspect missiles are a thing now, kill range extended to ~3-4 km but you still need to get on someone’s tail. Rank VII: Radar missiles are now viable outside of bomber shooting, frontal aspect kills are a thing, engagement ranges are even bigger. Rank VIII: BVR), but you still have pretty massive changes even Rank IV to Rank V (introduction of high-velocity kinetic penetrators that have almost no bullet drop, far better optics, far better mobility, stabilizers allowing firing on the move, AGMs/helicopters and so forth).
If one’s main draw to warthunder is WW2, whether aircraft or tanks, why does that make them a clubber?
Clubbing only exists at tier 1, maybe tier 2 depending on mode. Tier 3 vehicles can no longer be considered “clubbing.”
Id like to direct you to his stats in rank 7. all of these are signs of one death leaving bar for britain.
also most these vehicles have been known to have been busted at one stage or another.
M1A1 smashed when it was added. T80B was oppressive af until its BR went up years ago.
leo2K when it was added was criminally under BR’d. even now it is at 10.0.
USSR - T80B sits 256 battles higher than the T72B
USA - M1A1 sits 227 games above the IPM1
Germany - leopard 2K sits 124 games above the puma.
japan - type 16 sits 58 games above the rest purely as thats how many games played are 59
china - ztz 96 (P) 59 matches above the QN 506 purely due to only having 64 games in ztz
france - nothing.
italy - 22 more games in the leopard 2a4 to the dardo not much there , but still signs of ODL
sweden - he has the LvKv as his top used with 265. followed by the STRF 9040 BILL with 203
then it drops down to 120 games for the STV 121. both the LvKv and BILL are renowned vehicles.
and he hasnt touched isreal till rank 7
I can go through and comapar all of rank 3 for the nations too if youd like.
but i think we see the trend.
theres a lack of interest in modern platforms.
then cherry picking specific vehicles that were or are under Brd for long periods of times in areas where statistically worse people were playing for a long period before the introduction of top tier tanks.
Clubbing exists when you spawn a tank such as the panther A that was criminally under BRd for a long period more than 180 times than the next most used vehicle.
Its specifically stat padding to make one look better than they are.
the disparity in games with other vehicles of the same rank or one above / lower is massive. hence the reasoning were calling htem a clubber.
I too enjoy ww2/ early cold war tanks, centurions, Is2s etc etc.
But if i go back now to them I am clubbing the people who are new to the BR bracket and to the vehicles considering I have literally over 10 thousand games overall
and nearly 8000 of them in GRB
For example.
Go to USSR check his rank 3 which is BRd 4.7 T 34 57 he has nearly twice as many games in that than the next tank.
a tank that is fantastically powerful at its BR.
yet they use only that. and use it for over 640 battles.
or how about the near 300 battles in a stug 3? rank 2 4.0 BR
near 300 games in the m5a1 as well for USSA rank 2
that is clubbing
Or most likely didn’t die in most matches, I have had vehicles that I played them entirely passive camping so they would last the entire match without dying, I just took a look at his record and he is indeed one competent NATO main, can tell he weren’t playing passively due to the extremely high kills per match, which is only achievable by constantly engaging enemies. For some reasons, he hadn’t has any success in playing RU vehicles which is strange considering how good he was at NATOs.
If I wasn’t drawn to higher/top tiers, I wouldn’t play 200-300-400 battles in vehicles that were/are really strong. This is a bit too much of a coincidence that he mostly plays higher/top tiers with meta vehicles.
He still has literally hundreds of games disparity in the stats.
If hes engaging this much, and in combat to the point he has a 4.0 KD for example with the tiger 2.
he has to die as well unless they rig the game xD
you can play passive and net a few kills, and survive sure.
but the stats dont add up for that.
if you also check lower Ranks he has hundreds of games in the likes of the T34 57, or stugs at 4.0 BR with next to no tanks in a lineup with them.
i could understand if it was a select few tanks. But to try say they never die enough to not use lineups with disparities of hundreds of games makes no sense. no one is that good.
and specifically only those vehicles.
like the panther A as an example.
How did we get onto this toxic discussion path, anyhow? This isn’t from some conversation about T-29 vs KT, is it? If so, for me: KT 10.5 > T29 >> KT.
cause that dude decided to take it that far.
As i said the Tiger 2 SLA should be 7.0 due to being statistically better in most ragards over the T29 , they compete with one another as the tiger 2 has a faster reload, better armour and speed comapred to teh T29 which has a better turret, worse reload, worse mobility, but the HMGs
that is literally whats kicked all this off xD
I’d rather you go seal club than not play vehicles that interest you. I don’t think seal clubbing is a huge problem in this game, since you encounter experienced players at all BRs. Heck, you probably encounter more seals to be clubbed at 10.3 ground than you will lower BRs, these days.
This really depends on the time those vehicles were played.
You had plenty of maps in which you didn’t even have to move more than 50m meters from spawn to snipe with good success.
Player wise maybe, but vehicle wise I doubt it.
10.3 seal would spawn once in his premium, get clubbed and then leave the game.
Lower BR seal will spawn several times and get clubbed several times.
I think farming seals for K/D and KPB is much easier lower you go.
im not saying that it is.
the issue is he brought up my stats to do with teh T29 and tiger 2 which ive not used in some time.
I didnt go to stats that dude did.
so we started to objectively look at his. which is why we are here now.
Go down to rank 1 or 2 and youll see that it is actually a massive issue for new players.
yeah sadly that too happens.
It doesnt interest me to go club people who are new to the game, or even have a few hundred hours. I have 3000 hours on the game which means I know more about how to play than they do, shot placement, audio, engines, armour, rounds etc etc.
With german tanks, my first assumption would be wehraboo rather than clubber.
I’ve seen and fought a guy multiple times who has 230 hours of gameplay rn, and looking at their vehicle stats - about 170-200 of that has to be in the Bf109 G-2, rest spread between F4 and K4.
To me, this argument feels anti-fun.
And presence of premium top-tiers also nullifies it.
Aircraft, not ground, but I genuinely feel BR 10.3ish around sale periods is the most blatant form of seal-clubbing you can have (both SB and RB). Lots of people with barely any games flying premium rank VI/VII aircraft that give you very stupid stats both RB and SB. I made it a point to partake in it last event when I didn’t have a lot of time and needed score fast.
Disparity in what vehicles they use and only using powerful vehicles is a better argument though. Presence of non-german vehicles also removes the (wehra)boo “Protection.” (guy who obsessively only plays bf109 or tigers because german engineering).
I have a nice swedish lineup there.
Br 5.7 which im now refusing to use.
It just wasnt fair man not saying it was crazy KD’s but the advantage was apparant.
Fair, but if I was forced to play boring top-tier with boring MBT-heavy gameplay, I’d just uninstall. Glad that this isn’t a game to just get to top-tier and stay there.
nah US i think is his goto.
which is the same hundreds more games in the M5A1 over the next tank.
Im sorry i dont understand what you mean here.
The issue is there are premiums at every rank now, the older ones arent as shiny but still a lot of people go for them.
Not like the F4S or the clickbait right enough.
I tend to play the 8.7 area due to the lack thereof a lot of prems.
the disparity is there in almost every rank, theres one or two clear outliers that are used far more than any other vehicle of the rank.
i used rank 7 as an example above,
in one of my other comments i refered to rank 3 and even rank 2 for some of them.
He uses vehicles that have been known to be, or still are blatently busted at their respective BRs and uses them far more than any other vehicle of the BR bracket.
It was an example of someone who fits the idea of " person who plays warthunder to play only their favourite vehicle and nothing else."