If you want to contrubuite to the thread then don’t target certain people. You may disagree with people of course, But most of the comments are just nit picking leading to arguments. I don’t want to have to clean this thread again or even lock this, I’d rather leave it open for people to discuss.
Anything below this comment what is deemed baiting arguments or blatant nit picking will be met with a nice forum vacation to start the new year.
I totally forgot about the Bkan tbh.
But if you can’t explain, then we can’t reasonably debate it.
I would love to see You that actaully doing in game
I have. I’ve done it in Tiger II and the T34, as well as the T29.
It’s not hard. It’s a weak point.
Not to mention, the 7.5 second reload vs the 20.3 sec ace reload is a big difference.
The Tiger can out load the IS-3 and barrel snipe. Just as the jumbo can to a Tiger.
Especially since you get 2.85 shots per 1 shot of the IS-3
Glad that we are talking about Tiger 1 and they are not it.
Pixel size ones, meaning in normal battle You have little to no chance of actually doing it.
And sorry, I don’t care for the claims of “I have done it”.
Same when You look at where IS-3 has to aim to one shot You.
The vast difference is that Jumbo can bounce Tiger shots, while Tiger can’t bounce IS-3 shots. Not to mention that You will always have a 200m distance ;)
The Tiger can bounce 122mm shots, I’ve already shown you this.
If someone aims badly, as we have already talked about ;).
So next time we will take into consideration enemy not being able to hit You?
Same with people seeing bigfoot, don’t care as long as You can’t provide anything to back it up.
hardly…few of the BR’s you have suggested make any sense. If anything the BR’s you have suggested will just push tanks up into BR’s where they will be clubed or not viable.
One only has to read this topic to see that most people take issue with your BR suggestions.
IS-6 has no right being moved to 7.3 as you suggested, Same for the IS-3 even with your suggestion that players could shoot this small spot if they are in a tiger 2 ect…laughable at best.
KV-1 going to 4.3 would make it too OP, T-90, T-72 and T-80’s have no business being dropped down a BR either…
hardly any other tanks (6) in the other trees get their BR dropped yet loads of the Russian ones do…
Honestly feels a bit bias to be personally.
At any rate this topic is just going to cause issues.
What will club them, name it. And it’s br.
Both see HEAT already which render the tank borderline useless. Both tanks are also packed full of ammo even in 10~ or less she’ll load outs.
Same thing with the IS-4M but that has somewhat better armor.
The reloads make them terrible, and their guns have weaker pen than most around. But if you pen, you will more than likely kill the enemy tank.
The KV-1(Zis-5) is the same BR as the better Sweden one. Which makes no sense. The only other compromise is bring the Sweden one to 5.0, the German one to 5.3 (as the German one is both better in armor and gun).
T-90A is garbage at its current br. Have you played it?
T-72B, not the 1989, just the B, being 10.0 instead of 10.3 isn’t insane. Play it and you’ll find out.
So the T-80U and newer getting a historically accurate reload… is now what… biased?
Correct me if I’m wrong but the HSTVL just got a historical buff no?
Technically I gave the most to Italy. But I picked out vehicles that were:
This has to be rage bait at this point, why else ping me to bring me back when you’ve flatly dismissed all of my arguments. I’m not going over the Tiger Is again, I’ve covered them well enough up above, but since I’ve already mentioned it and you’ve still doubled down:
The Luchs is in no way a “better Wiesel”. It has worse gun handling, mobility, agility, lower gen thermals and lacks a laser rangefinder. Plus the turret is fully manned, meaning you can’t fire from behind cover
The only advantages it has is having a full turret (Which is somwhat countered on the Wiesel by the great neutral steering and better gun handling), and having better depression/elevation. The elevation is handy against aircraft that are above you, but 45 degrees is plenty for countering the shallow dive bombing that’s common at the tier. And 10 degrees is generally more than enough for the Wiesel.
And you’re just casually dismissing the largest advantage the Wiesel has, and that’s the size. You can hide it anywhere and go unseen. I had a particularly memorable game where I just parked it in a bush in Normandy and managed to go the entire game without being spotted, while spotting 2/3rds of the enemy team throughout the entire match.
Even if you don’t play it as a passive scout, it’s ability to hide means you can more easily set up ambushes to get the sideshots it absolutely needs to make the gun work, and hide from vehicles you are unable to kill (Almost everything Russian).
It’s also ignoring the Marders, who are far closer in terms of size and turret, and yet they have ATGMs that allow them to deal with heavy armor, something the Luchs doesn’t have. Why would you ever play the Luchs over a Marder?
There’s so much more wrong with this, but since you’ve been singularly hostile to feedback I’m not going to get any deeper into this.
I’ll start with Sweden;
Faster, but only has 6 rounds per gun, and an only a single clip for each gun.
Having the BMP-1 without an ATGM at the same BR with one that has the Suitcase-Sagger, is just an atrocious claim.
Now to Germany;
Bigger isn’t better, it’s simply an easier target to hit and fuse APHE on at a longer distance.
These are easily killable by their American counterparts right now, no need to push them further; but the H would still be manageable.
Now to Russia/USSR;
That would only buff it because its APDS would have more matter to spall with.
And Japan;
(Hide?) simply because it’s small, doesn’t mean it needs to go higher in BR.
other than those I completely agree.
Yea my thoughts too.
It’s not…? You had brought up opinions and we debated. I changed sometimes and let you know I updated the list some to keep you informed.
“Suitcase-Sagger” was the general terminology for the 9M14 given by the USMC for ID’ing enemy forces equipped with the 9M14 missile.
That’s not worth a BR bump…
“Easy to grind” simply because it has its stock ammo be it’s best ammo, which still can be very bad sometimes, especially not being able to go through destructible cover.
i just read usa and russian br changes and i can clearly say that author is russian XD
not even a word about 2s38/t80ud/t55amd and am1 being abomination? not even a word that usa top tier is literally BAD.
moving is3 and is6 to lower br? but no m103 t32e1 maus etc? why not? yes i can tell xd.
if u rly want to make smth for these tanks u need to repair situations where no stabilized heavy tanks around 7.3/.7.7 br meet full stabilized apfsds with laser range finder (t55amd/am1 RUSSIAN TANKS 8.7 BTW).
u want to move pzh and type99 but not chinese arti at 7.7? XD
seriously delete it think about it and come back with something that is not a joke or wet dream of russian player
That’s why one will be 7.3 while the one carrying the ATGMs will be 8.0
The USH is a lot better than you may believe. 12 ready to fire rounds, than can easily kill anything it sees. It only sucks if you drive into a strong wall or something. It’s better than the rakentenautomat tbh.
I don’t play KT 10.5 at 7.0 for its armor or survivability. Most German tanks from that era will pop with a good shot to the turret cheek (including Maus). I play it for the 10.5cm gun, I go out of my way to play it because of that gun. There are so many vehicles with the 88, that I just wouldn’t bother with the KT at 7.0. It would be manageable at 7.0, but it really isn’t causing any balance issues where it is now at 6.7.
When I’m using one of those tanks, it is part of a line-up. They dominate in a down-tier and at their own tier, especially the Somua, T32E1, etc, but you need to be smart or bring something else in an uptier. Every heavy tank is essentially like this apart from the Object279, which just eats everything. That is no reason to push stuff like the AMD, AM1, 435 up to BRs which already have much better tanks sitting there. Now, to elaborate:Just say you get an uptier in your French unstabilized heavy at 7.7 - then you would bring the rats instead (AML-90/AMX-90), or ATGM (AMX-10M), or SPG (AuF1) and so on. The trade off for heavy tanks is worth it, imo.
Edit: And if you’re someone who refuses to make use of other tanks in a line-up or to bring a line-up at all, then the game shouldn’t be catering to you balance-wise to begin with. Because really, a line-up is the difference between you helping yourself and your team and you sabotaging yourself and the team.
That is still excessive when it has a 7sec reload and no secondary. Let alone no smoke.
I assure you, the USH isn’t even worth playing if pushed to the same BR as the Raketen, which should be bumped. Raketen also has neutral steer, which makes it way more mobile, not to mention tracks are light years better in cross-country.
