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I agree for the most part other than USSR kit going lower.
I think both are in the right spot. lackluster reloads but that APHE nukes anything it penetrates and had more than capable enough armour for a heavy
you know my thoughts already
the armour really isn’t that good for 8.3 as its the same as the 5/1 on hull armour, its only higher because of the L7 which is fair but not that much of an improvement
still really damn good armour, both the regular B and 1989 hold up really well at 10.3, lowering them would just compress 9.0-9.7 harder
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It has decent armor, but the T-72B obr 1989 has better armor at the same BR. The T-72B K-1 should not be 2 BRs higher than the T-64B
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The irony
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still think 10.3 and maybe 10.7 is fair for them both as they still do very good as NATO shells are very weak compared to what they should be. Once things like L23 and equal from the germans and yanks are declassified they are going to really struggle
It trades pen for reload speed + explosive filler. The 10.5 cm is a sidegrade at best.
I think that’s more of an issue with the T-62 just being powercrept like hell. Even in the Russian tree you have the Object 435 which is just better. Better transmission + optical rangefinder + smaller profile + 14.5mm machine gun.
I totally agree. I’m still very surprised this thing came in at the BR it did. Anyone who’s played the BMP-1 knows the ATGM is more of a backup shot if you miss than anything. But the 2A28 has a fast reload anyway.
Since the XM800 got moved up, and these tanks are equals, I agree.
BTR-80A is not that fast, has bad armor for even a light tank, terrible reverse, terrible gun depression, and a worse or at best equal gun to the Fox.
As for the Luchs, it’s equal to the Wiesel. Wiesel is smaller and tracked with better thermals iirc. 20mm autocannon tanks in general aren’t that fun to play imo.
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have you played the Is-3? It’s not good.
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yes, that’s the problem though, the 122mms only have what, 230mm pen at 7.7 is nuts. The somua has more pen, arguably better armor, a faster reload, for a 22mm smaller round. Not to mention, it’s next to impossible to kill a Maus with an IS-6 or IS-3 while the maus can just crush you.
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lastly, I was talking about the T-72b, not the T-72B(1989), the latter can stay where it is, the former only has Kontact-1 slapped on it, making it good against ATGMs only, but most things have tandem ATGMs at that BR, and some below it. Thus making it well balanced for 10.0
The breech is also bigger on the Tiger 105, causing more bounces and less flat spacing to be there. But if the t29 is 7.0 > 7.3 then so should the Tiger 105.
Although I agree the T-62 is in a bad spot, moving it to 8.3 is ideal as it has pretty much the same characteristics to the T-55A, being a “side grade” as you put early, if I do that though. Someone will say “oh he’s a Russian main, Russian bias etc etc”. (Funnily enough I’m maining Italy now.)
But the Obj.122 MT has a bit too good of armor to be 8.7, especially with its armament capabilities.
It seems more on Par with the T-62-M-1 (which I don’t really think that T-62 is a big improvement over the OG one, as the turret with its new add on armor seems to be okay, but everyone just shoots the hull and kills the whole tank anyways.)
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Yeah I’m not sure why the PBV 501 is 6.7, it was a very easy stock grind / tank to play, and you have the pen to kill anything while being very mobile. Biggest down side was you aren’t .50cal proof, and the gun bounced a lot.
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the fox still has to be one of the easiest tanks I have ever stock grinded in warthunder. It’s not equal to the USH-405 but it’s fairly close.
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again, if I don’t bring the BTR up, as much as I think it’s terrible… I’ll be a “biased Russian main in favor of Russia” so I found things that could use a nerf in br that doesn’t hinder thier performance greatly such as the shturm, it gets uptier enough as is and rarely sees a downtier). I do think they balance Russia relatively well most of the time, as the outcry of under br’d USSR vehicles always seems to be louder than other nations vehicles.
The BTR is loud, big, has a really bouncy gun. Lack luster pen (I think it slightly under preforms, as from my math, it should be about 90-94mm pen with APDS). And it can get hit in the rear most wheel with HEAT and get over pressured. I think if they removed the bar behind the turret, it would improve it a decent bit. (At least you could shoot back while retreating).
The BTR is most effective against light tanks and British tanks due to low side armor. It may be able to kill some mediums, but things like the m48 are hard to kill on a flat angle on the side.
“Everyone who disagrees with my is just rage baiting.” I’m going to keep humouring you. But this increasingly feels like a thread solely existing to stir up controversy and get engagement.
The Tiger E is an all around upgrade over the H1. The Cupola is one of the biggest weakspots that can’t be angled away and is very hard to hide. Add the non functional Anti Personal Mine Launchers it has, which worsen turret depression which the new Premium and Tiger E, as well as Tigris don’t have.
You are arguing that Tiger E’s should be at a lower BR, while the inferior Tiger H should go up by 0.3. Does this also apply to the German Tiger E? Do you want these two to be switched. Or is it only for the Tiger E’s not part of the German tree?
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No just ULQ is rage baiting.
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the Heavy Tank No.06 has those mine launchers but lacks the cupola. It also lacks any smokes. By far it should not be 6.0
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the Tigris lacking smoke, and generally not having the side armor that can block the Sherman 75mm found on the Jumbo, (which the Tiger OST can block with ease btw). Is in no better position than the 5.7 tiger pack.
If those 5.7 tiger pack vehicles remain at 5.7, then the Italian and Japanese one should join them at that br.
If the tiger pack goes to 6.0, then the others don’t have to move.
Also mainly well experienced and people who play arcade will know the weak point of the tiger’s commander hatch
- but regardless, the heavy tank no.6 has really no lineup, and should become a 5.7, being featureless compared to the others
The Cupola is pretty much what pushes the E to 6.0 a small step from H1 at 5.7. Because it removes the singularly biggest downside of a Tiger, especially at distance and angling. it’s their most glaring flaw and a weak spot you can’t play around.
You could argue that the Heavy Tank No.6 should have the mine launchers removed and I’d agree. Either they should be functional or removed from all Tigers. It “not having a line up” is an issue with lack of Japanese tanks and their BR, it shouldn’t figure into where it is placed though.
The Tigris for various reasons is considered one of the best Tigers in the game. It doesn’t really need to be moved. Especially not because it lacks smoke. Smoke isn’t all that great and people deploying smoke is an ongoing meme in the War Thunder community.
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I use smoke to escape a lot, and typically come back and win the battle.
no.6 for shortness, should have the mine launchers removed, and it, and the Tigris should get smoke grenades if they are to stay at 6.0 and the tiger pack is to stay at 5.7
Although I’d argue the Tiger OST is the best tiger, but I’d really give that title to the Tiger West, as the camo net hides it pretty well it seems.
That is just amusing at best.
You could just said that You are biased
Edit: nice one
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I don’t know, man… lots of compression coming back.
Tiger Is at 6.0 and Tiger IIs at 7.0…
While IS-3 is 7.0, and IS-6 and T-54 (1957) is 7.3…? And T-54 (1949) at 7.7…
That makes Tiger Is face stuff like IS-3 again, and Tiger IIs face various variants of literal T-54, apart from facing IS-3s and IS-6s…
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IS-3 is too much for Tiger II already, imagine Tiger I…
Gaijin is decompressing at a snail’s pace, but at least they are doing it, so Tiger IIs finally doesn’t need to face IS-3s… and with these proposed changes, even Tiger Is would face it! We would be taking huge steps back here.
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so you want too see the useable tanks in the UK tree nerfed to the point that they are not useable…
Honestly any suggestion you make is just poorly thought out and lacking. Thankfully youre input isnt taken into account by the devs…
This guy…honestly
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Thats what he is good at and the only reason for this topic tbh
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Or you just don’t want to see your seal club era stay at their great brs.
Something not many seem to be getting, is trying to de-congest all these stuffed br ranges.
It’s okay.
@ULQ_LOVER just has outlandish claims.
@katyushá could you please remove this individual whom isn’t contributing but rather just rage baiting trying to incite a fight as to get the thread closed.
And this is just defamation of my character because… of no reason?
XDDDDD yeah? Just ignore the Bkan 1C then!
These are just horrid suggestions for the most part, I just don’t have the time or patience to explain why many are.
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