Pretty legit list.
The SIDAM at 8.3 is mind boggling. Got to be a legacy BR. It is crap compared to the ZSU 23-4
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Which is why it shouldn’t be bumped
Yeah lol. No idea why the Sidam is nearly the same Br as the Gepard. Gepard is infinitely better in all aspects except irst lock.
I would say out of all the 7.3 - 8.3 aa the best to worst are:
Za-35
Gepard
PGZ
Chieftain marksman (may be 8.7, not on warthunder rn)
ZSU-37-2
Veak
M-163
ZSU-23-4
Sidam
Zsu-23-4m2
And considering it’s Italy’s only option it makes me want to vomit. It it got a bigger APDS belt, then sure it could stay at 8.3, but stock HE only with 7mm pen is dumb.
Although… with 7mm HE pen… I somehow killed a T-80U in the side yesterday, both myself and the guy I killed were super confused.
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Soviet bmp-1 with atgm: 8.0
Sweden bmp-1 without atgm: 7.3 seems pretty fair.
HUH??? THE LUCHS IS ALREADY BAD. You want to put it HIGHER?
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I don’t see this as justified, the gun is already pretty mediocre at 7.0 and its one of the only upsides of the tank (the fastish reloading decent pen gun)
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T26E5 6.7 > 7.0 Maybe. The gun is very weak for the BR though so making it to where the armor is more “balanced” may make the tank weak.
I’m kinda ok with this?
It isn’t better, it’s worse. The gun isn’t as good because the reload is ginormous.
should try 7.0 first, its not that hard to deal with and it has goofy gimmicky issues that other tanks dont deal with
nah its really just worse than the 88 version cause the reload being longer really offsets the damage/pen you get, especially when 88 is already good there
I heard this thing sucks but idk havent played it yet or seen it much
Only gets it for 2 shots then the 3rd and beyond is 7.5s+, not as good as you think. Still wouldn’t mind it being a higher BR.
it’s effectively a lot worse at doing this because the AP 57mm shell is much larger than darts and gets caught on things easily that cause it to lose pen and fail to do damage. It also isnt explosive so you have to shoot people a lot. Not having autotrack anyway to track air targets also means the HE AA capability is very skill based cause you have to actually know how to aim it fully manually which isnt as easy as it sounds. The ATGM it has is also dogwater.
Nah you can’t ask for Tiger2H, T29, T34, etc to go up and then ask for this to go down, makes no sense. IS-3 is far more difficult to engage than those above tanks in my experience.
Same as above
Same as above, this is heavy compression to put a T54 and a Tiger2/T29 at the same BR.
This thing kinda sucks actually.
Also lacks any gun handling to speak of, which is why I think its fine at 9.3
full on gimmick that doesnt do anything for you really, it detects dead tanks and teammates too. It also doesn’t always see enemy tanks for some reason.
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T-90A 11.0 > 10.7 (Good armor if facing 11.3s or lower, difficult to play above that. Long 7.1 sec reload and poor speed overall).
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You didnt uptier M103 so this makes no sense
not a high performer at 8.0 currently
big one trick though, like jagdtiger
this would just make it pointless
its not that bad (not worse than m163, it is worse than the other two)
Dardo is better than M3A3 bradley for most things tho, just not atgm camping behind a ridge
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Apparently there is a size difference in the ammo and it literally can’t carry more than 60 APDS rounds. That’s according to the researcher for Gaijin at the time. I am fine with the “realism” but it belongs at 7.7 not 8.3. IRST is great but it is slow, a big target, virtually no AP and obviously no search radar. It’s worse than any 8.0 or 8.3 SPAA easily.
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Ive done this several times. pulling off funny shots which arent the normal kind of thing to happen arent equal to they should see each other in normal cirumstances
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Irst doesn’t work 75% of the time on the Sidam as is, so yeah 7.7 would be nice, but seeing 6.7 planes may be a bit much.
Which of these that you mentioned, have you played?
I’m just gonna ask this first.
Most., 80%~, mainly the newer additions that I havent
Please define most. Because you told me a dardo is better than a Bradley. In fire rate? Sure. That’s about all.
Okay so 80% which haven’t you played?
Dardo is far more mobile and the autocannon is far better, and they have the same ATGMs.
I have a counterpoint. those soviet SPAAS are very undertiered. also isn’t the SIDAMs IRST broken at the moment?
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I’m not going to go through the list and pick out which I haven’t played. I’ve played 80% of what I talked about there and the other 20% is majority made up of stuff added in the last few patches
The dardo is not much faster. Myself and a buddy were playing 10.0, me in the dardo, him the Bradley, although I had better acceleration he was keeping decent pace. The dardo also has worse ammo layout, no irst, worse armor, and lacks spall liners.
In my experience it very much is.
getting shot = die in both, except dardo often lives with the crew layout in my experience leaving you with 2/4.
yeah bradley isnt shooting down anything either with its low rof autocannon though.
this matters… why? what is bradley stopping?
When does this matter for an IFV? i have never seen it save the bradley once on either end of that
I just factor in the BR of the M163
I’ve had the spall liners save me from rear spall / the ATGMs being hit.
Also:
(Keep in mind this is thunderskill)
Tiger 10.5 stats:
Tiger II (H):
Tiger II(sla.16):
IS-3:
IS-6:
T29:
T26E5:
Per life, the USSR tanks have far lower efficiency.
The Tiger 105 is rather high.
The T29 is slightly behind the Tiger 105 but still quite good.
The T26E5 is good.
The normal Tiger II is on the lower side of good, but still good.
The Tiger II sla. Is better efficiency wise.
So what does this say? The lower br tanks are preforming better. The Russian heavies more and more encounter HEAT FS which they are extremely allergic to a single penetration
Yeah that’s true. Not sure why they made the m163 a 7.3… kinda nuts