Proposed ground RB battle rating changes

This has to be rage bait at this point, why else ping me to bring me back when you’ve flatly dismissed all of my arguments. I’m not going over the Tiger Is again, I’ve covered them well enough up above, but since I’ve already mentioned it and you’ve still doubled down:

The Luchs is in no way a “better Wiesel”. It has worse gun handling, mobility, agility, lower gen thermals and lacks a laser rangefinder. Plus the turret is fully manned, meaning you can’t fire from behind cover

The only advantages it has is having a full turret (Which is somwhat countered on the Wiesel by the great neutral steering and better gun handling), and having better depression/elevation. The elevation is handy against aircraft that are above you, but 45 degrees is plenty for countering the shallow dive bombing that’s common at the tier. And 10 degrees is generally more than enough for the Wiesel.

And you’re just casually dismissing the largest advantage the Wiesel has, and that’s the size. You can hide it anywhere and go unseen. I had a particularly memorable game where I just parked it in a bush in Normandy and managed to go the entire game without being spotted, while spotting 2/3rds of the enemy team throughout the entire match.

Even if you don’t play it as a passive scout, it’s ability to hide means you can more easily set up ambushes to get the sideshots it absolutely needs to make the gun work, and hide from vehicles you are unable to kill (Almost everything Russian).

It’s also ignoring the Marders, who are far closer in terms of size and turret, and yet they have ATGMs that allow them to deal with heavy armor, something the Luchs doesn’t have. Why would you ever play the Luchs over a Marder?

There’s so much more wrong with this, but since you’ve been singularly hostile to feedback I’m not going to get any deeper into this.

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I’ll start with Sweden;

Faster, but only has 6 rounds per gun, and an only a single clip for each gun.

Having the BMP-1 without an ATGM at the same BR with one that has the Suitcase-Sagger, is just an atrocious claim.

Now to Germany;

Bigger isn’t better, it’s simply an easier target to hit and fuse APHE on at a longer distance.

These are easily killable by their American counterparts right now, no need to push them further; but the H would still be manageable.

Now to Russia/USSR;

That would only buff it because its APDS would have more matter to spall with.

And Japan;

(Hide?) simply because it’s small, doesn’t mean it needs to go higher in BR.


other than those I completely agree.

  • the USH is a very good vehicle and a easy stock grind.
  • The BMP with a suitcase what?
  • Luchs has a full 360 degree rotation turret. The Wiesel does not.
  • I Put alot of the heavier USA tanks up in Br. Same with the tigers. That way 5.7, 6.0, and 6.3 have less pressure on those brs.
  • Yes it would be nice if they fix the APDS on the 2a72.
  • Type 60 is far more survivable than the m56, but honestly the m50 should be a 7.3 instead. That way it would be balanced between the m56 and m50.
    The type 60 also will block .50cals frontally.

Yea my thoughts too.

It’s not…? You had brought up opinions and we debated. I changed sometimes and let you know I updated the list some to keep you informed.

“Suitcase-Sagger” was the general terminology for the 9M14 given by the USMC for ID’ing enemy forces equipped with the 9M14 missile.

That’s not worth a BR bump…

“Easy to grind” simply because it has its stock ammo be it’s best ammo, which still can be very bad sometimes, especially not being able to go through destructible cover.

i just read usa and russian br changes and i can clearly say that author is russian XD

not even a word about 2s38/t80ud/t55amd and am1 being abomination? not even a word that usa top tier is literally BAD.

moving is3 and is6 to lower br? but no m103 t32e1 maus etc? why not? yes i can tell xd.

if u rly want to make smth for these tanks u need to repair situations where no stabilized heavy tanks around 7.3/.7.7 br meet full stabilized apfsds with laser range finder (t55amd/am1 RUSSIAN TANKS 8.7 BTW).

u want to move pzh and type99 but not chinese arti at 7.7? XD

seriously delete it think about it and come back with something that is not a joke or wet dream of russian player

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That’s why one will be 7.3 while the one carrying the ATGMs will be 8.0

The USH is a lot better than you may believe. 12 ready to fire rounds, than can easily kill anything it sees. It only sucks if you drive into a strong wall or something. It’s better than the rakentenautomat tbh.

I don’t play KT 10.5 at 7.0 for its armor or survivability. Most German tanks from that era will pop with a good shot to the turret cheek (including Maus). I play it for the 10.5cm gun, I go out of my way to play it because of that gun. There are so many vehicles with the 88, that I just wouldn’t bother with the KT at 7.0. It would be manageable at 7.0, but it really isn’t causing any balance issues where it is now at 6.7.

When I’m using one of those tanks, it is part of a line-up. They dominate in a down-tier and at their own tier, especially the Somua, T32E1, etc, but you need to be smart or bring something else in an uptier. Every heavy tank is essentially like this apart from the Object279, which just eats everything. That is no reason to push stuff like the AMD, AM1, 435 up to BRs which already have much better tanks sitting there. Now, to elaborate:Just say you get an uptier in your French unstabilized heavy at 7.7 - then you would bring the rats instead (AML-90/AMX-90), or ATGM (AMX-10M), or SPG (AuF1) and so on. The trade off for heavy tanks is worth it, imo.

Edit: And if you’re someone who refuses to make use of other tanks in a line-up or to bring a line-up at all, then the game shouldn’t be catering to you balance-wise to begin with. Because really, a line-up is the difference between you helping yourself and your team and you sabotaging yourself and the team.

That is still excessive when it has a 7sec reload and no secondary. Let alone no smoke.

I assure you, the USH isn’t even worth playing if pushed to the same BR as the Raketen, which should be bumped. Raketen also has neutral steer, which makes it way more mobile, not to mention tracks are light years better in cross-country.

7 sec reload? It’s automatically 6.0 secs. I have a level 31 crew, that’s basic.

It has 300 pen and 402.5g of explosives.

41 mph speed.

Seems pretty 7.3 worthy.

The atgm is pretty meh at best. It’s always the back up option. Plus, by the time the 73mm hits your 1/3 reloaded.

Yeah… no. The Is2, is3, is4 and is6 cannot kill a T32E1 pretty much at all.

Meanwhile that same T32e1 can kill the is’s
and that’s not being fair

As for top tier the hstvl just got buffed and went from good to great. And the abrams is good. USA top tier suffers due to the teams, not the tanks.

Less that half a kilo of explosives, and pen that doesn’t like to go through 7.0 US heavies, let alone 7.3’s or 7.7’s.

The “BMP-1P” upgrade gives you a much better SACLOS missile that’s pretty good.

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do u see any difference between our screen shoots? no? bcs they both have problem to pen each other XD (is6 have even more pen btw XD) apcr wont change anything same spots and even lower damage so gl.


and hstvl went from garbage to playable still should be move to 11.3 or some buffs (also 2s38 deserve 11.0 atleast same with t80ud).

edit: is tanks can use he btw

seriously u said that i should bring amx 10m or auf1 to play 8.7 stabilized laser range finder tanks?
they are not even good on br they actually are. so why u dont say to author of this br suggestions to take su 122 54 or 2s1/2s3m to 7.7 line ups and use heatfs/he if they dont have pen? thats very smart wow we repaired his lovely 7.3/7.7 is tree we can close it right? NO bcs in my opinion is3/4/6 are same garbage like other heavy tanks bcs of UPTIERS they meet too strong tanks its not like tiger1/2 or is2 have same problems they can be pen but they still fight fair tanks (no laser range finder no stabilized fast tanks). there should be huge decompression in that br.
well balanced uptier for heavy tanks is 8.3 usa they also are stabilized or have apfsds but only 1 of that thing
sheridan is stabilized but have heat or atgm
m60a1 is stabilized but dont have apfsds or laser range finder
t95e1 have apfsds but nothing else
m60a2 is stabilized but using heat instead and thats not that great (Edit and have laser range finder)
even if we dont send these heavy on ur lovely t55amd in food role they can fight leopard 1 or centurion in much healthier games, still a bit unfair but thats how uptier works it should be harder but not unplayable

That wall of text sounds awfully like a USA suffers attempt. No sir, not today. Not ever. And keep the AMX-10M’s name out of your mouth if you can’t say nice things about her. She’s lovely.

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oh someone spit a facts to russian main and he pretend to not hear that? ah classic

I’m a 279 main. But I play most nations, and one of my favourite lineups is Britain 8.3, so have at it.

That’s why the Soviet one is 8.0 already…?

It is easier by a good margin to kiss the is2, 3, and 6 the can be commander / loader hatched semi easily. The most common shot is the gunner optic which almost always kills the tank.

Meanwhile, I’m praying my HE or APHE round doesn’t skill off the roof, let alone if I can even hit it since the is6 is so short.