Proposal to Improve Germany's Air Tech Tree with Austrian/Swiss Subtree

that was long ago and could have changed. Gaijin often denied something just to do it 1 year later

Is that really rejection? Just because Argentina is not currently a sub to Germany does not mean that Argentina will never be a sub to Germany in the future.

There is no use of filling that gap if we already have eurofighters etc… For me it’s clear that argentinia isn’t planned for germany. I don’t think this will change soon. Like above with switzerland, maybe 1 year

Would have been cool before the atgm nerf. Right now I dislike atgm carriers with a burning passion. Looks like a I-tow which is especially bad. Hot is at least somewhat useable

that ones actualy wrong, the denial never happend on the contrary they clarified that it might be different for the future


that ones quite some time ago now, while the argentinian denial was pretty stong

has switzerland an option to replace the Radkampfwagen 90? It’s one of the last non functioning vehicles in the german tech tree which would gaijin give the excuse to replace it

Afaik no, but there’s the Boxer with a 105mm anyways which can take its place.

i think that one was belgium

This? It uses a pirahna base

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Boxer MGS is ARTEC’s product :)

All they did was buy(?) the turret from Belgium and put it on the Bixer chassis, so for all intents and purposes, it’s Vickers Mk.7 just in reverse and by Germany.

well wouldnt talk about a boxer then xD

yeah boxer would fit but probably would end up higher like 10.7. Th400 has a 105 and 120mm turret iirc which would be possible aswell at least the 120mm variant at maybe 9.3

Na nah.

Has to be this.

Looks better.

that thing is chonky

i am not completly sure about , or if gajin will take that
For all intents and purposes i think the benelux community claimed that one strongly
@mr_boo you are the benelux expert. Was it a belgium company that put the boxer together or is it in truth a german product?

even if it was a german company they probably will claim it because it’s a belgian turret and netherlands was junior partner for the boxer.

It’s weird in general that we didn’t see another boxer yet. Hope after this dissappointing update next update is similar to the wiesel update (which added ocelot, wiesel 1A2 and 1A4). 3 Boxers in one update. Skyranger, boxer with puma turret and rh155

But I stop now. It’s derailing the topic

From the article about the long-cancelled Eurosatory 2k20 where they say;

A much heavier solution was to be exhibited at the cancelled 2020 edition of Eurosatory; a Cockerill 3105 two-man turret developed by John Cockerill Defense and armed with a 105 mm gun was installed over the German 8×8 platform. Mobility trials have been performed but no firings have taken place yet. One of the known programmes for a similar solution is that from Brazil, which has been already moved to the right more than once for budgetary reasons.

Doesn’t seem like Belgium has had anything to do with it other than providing the turret to Germany. The images come from KMW as well.

well who would have guessed. Its completly german. That even before KNDS thing etc

Man some people hating on Germany hard, saw some comments Say Germany dosent need switzerland air cuz of completely unrelated stuff like 2A7V, that’s ground, or midtier is already op, this is a top tier suggestion, crazy ammount of cope

It’s also been trialed in & by Germany:

This combination has also completed some company mobility trials in Germany, and manned firing trials are planned to take place in Germany or the UK when Covid-19 restrictions are lifted, according to the two contractors. It was originally expected that this combination would be shown for the first time at the Eurosatory exhibition in Paris in June 2020, but that event was cancelled due to the pandemic.

A Belgian John Cockerill Defense C3105 two-person 105 mm turret has been integrated onto a rear mission module of the Boxer 8x8 Multi-Role Armoured Vehicle (MRAV) at Krauss-Maffei Wegmann’s (KMW’s) facilities in Munich, the company has confirmed.

so the better question is why we havent an official suggestion for that one yet @UnHolySausage you wanna make the suggestion you can copy paste your boxer part

Britain does not have an Indian subtree. France didn’t need a subtree, because they have domestic options available to fill gaps.

I feel like rank VI-VIII could be filled in better ways other than adding a subtree.