Proof of LDIRCCM capability in IIR against Laser DIRCM

They got really mad when I called them bossman, they try so hard to boss and gaslight people. It’s like they have no power over people in real life so they try to act tough here.

the seeker wont be point sized, but comparatively almost nothing.

Lasers are very accurate with almost a planar waveform, even after like 2km. Even after the deviation, most of the power is concentrated at center. The lenses of the seeker re-concentrates them intensifying even more.

Lasers can be of any frequency, they are just a planar source of light with an extremely specific frequency, amplitude can vary but its mostly high.

Ahh the classic blurry finger phenomenon, that happens due to multiple light sources in room, lasers are not comparable.

i assume you are referring to chromatic aberrations here, it doesnt effect lasers as its a singular frequency. The separate refraction caused would be like in the order of diameter of atoms.

Much less than melting it, you cant melt a material without destroying its lattice.
Plus its a mixture of 2 compounds, So the actual melting point differs, heck even at lower temperatures they can seperate

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Phase-diagram-and-analysis-of-partial-melting-in-indium-antimonide-Section-of-the-In-Sb_fig17_343084958

Here is another comparable example :-
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/V6IawxOy-iA

fresnel lens is a lens with effeciency of 85% at focal point.
At surface of earth, 1kw/m2 light comes. Here the fresnel lens seems around 1.5-1.7 m2 in area. so the power at focal point would be (1.71)(0.85) = 1.45 kW
The laser with all the inefficiencies, deviations etc would stand at the same power. I am using this JUST FOR POWER COMPARISION.

You dont need to go to 500 degrees celsius just to damage the seeker beyond use. and just a single short burst from the laser would be enough to destroy delicate missile seekers.

There wasnt much smoke so i assume its duralumin.

30kw of all lasers combined at max, as i said i dont know if its at max output or not. but nonetheless it still proves my point.

i for one, support that radar should be disabled when u spawn. so that hen u switch it on, aircraft detect you as soon as you detect them and they should have the time to defend, if they dont, it is their own choice.


Just look how BEEFY Su-57 LDRICM is compared to President S

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Infinite countermeasure against fox-2

should be 2 at a time, 3rd one would just yeet it lol

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I think heres how they can balance both situations, because honestly the issue that heli’s with ldircm can sort stay in an invisible bubble.

Limit ldircm capabilities to perform on multiple missiles by setting a cap of 1 or 2. But if its higher limit cap, they should take time to blind the seeker like 5 seconds or something whatever is viable. Not immediately

IIR gets stronger datalink whilst the seeker is available so the heli has to sort of notch or hide in terrain to avoid the seeker.

Cas should be able to overpower but thats a given because youre grinding multiple kills/scouting/capping points to get those jets vs the 70s vics.

Pls dont think it would ever be the opposite case.
Cuz then cas SP would be reduced if slm/or any modern sam was upto their full capability.

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Yes, rather than making IIR completely immune to LDIRCM, just limit the amount of missiles LDIRCM can engage at once, and that too when its MAWS detects it.

Along with this, IOG+DL should help in a situation where a home on jam seeker gets burnt, allowing a proxy on the target if it doesnt perform evasive maneouvres

This will make LDIRCM actually a powerful tool rather than some braindead shield

afaik they mentioned about limiting the engaged missiles per turret to 1 in some bug report in future, but still nothing has happened

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Yep. Would actually satisfy most parties lowkey. Its a game at the end of the day, so i get it people get pissed and they want balancing but its an asymmetrical game

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Its just slow progress from gaijins part. They’ll prolly do it sometime in the future lmao. I can bet you on that

Usually such nerfs or changes always come months later

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This is exactly what I it should be, just a powerful asset you can use to defend yourself, but not a braindead shield that breaks balance in almost everyway.

Spoiler

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None of this would be a problem if helis were more visible to radar.

IOG+DL would take them out

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i know, i was referring to my hypothetical analogy as an explanative example

uhhh… theres a decorative laser in the commercial area near my house… after barely 50m it spreads from the diameter of a pen tip to an american football

this is strange to hear. as the seeker cannot concentrate rays that are outside its physical optical width/radius (depending on whether its a square or circular seeker)

a laser operating in the visible wavelengths wont really do you much good against an IIR seeker unless you pump enormous amounts of power to thermally damage the seeker

no not that. i meant literally how light can be affected with respect to the distance of the observer at such close ranges due to atmospheric conditions and medium differences

diffraction is still a noticeable affector, with differences in altitude, the density of the atmosphere changes, although you have a point because helicopters dont really operate above 1km in combat lol

then it is wise to refer to the damage caused by LIDAR on phone cameras, rays emitted from the LIDAR leave dead spots on the cameras sensor panel
while damage to indium antimonide seekers may not prove permanent, it is not large enough to render the entire seeker useless enough to ruin target tracking

delicate doesnt do the seekers justice. while lattice structure can and is probably affected at lower temperatures as compared to the actual compound melting point, it does not destroy the entire seeker in the timespans encountered in missile combat.

All this is ASIDE from the stated laser CCM of the IRIS-T and research papers showing IIR seeker CCM against lasers

could be.

i dont think so. a 30000W beam is different to a 2800W beam.
i hate to sound like a broken record but the exposure times and relative damage potential to the target surface and substance make it very hard to support your theory in comparison to the research and OEM documents.
even if we compare the surface areas of the targets, i think a missile seeker doesnt allow for much stray light to enter especially at the extreme angles in combat.

and that bug manager still insists that the system does not specify what wavelength it operates in.
as if it would try to decoy an IR missile with visible light lmaooo

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eh… these days yk how it is… kill 1 guy, cap 1 base and ur in the club

something the IRIS-T stops receiving (in game) after the seeker goes active

Something the 1990 first gen sentinel radar on the CLAWS is terrible at

Guess we’re all in the same boat

btw, there is so many complaints about SLM because it can ONLY fire IR missiles and they are lacking range, full time DL, correct loft and have no way to take out LDIRCM helis
so basically its castrated

ig u mean the scan rate?
theres a report for that
once that gets fixed (and it will since it wont break LDIRCM) the DL guidance to the Aim-120C7 for the CLAWS will be better than ever