The Kfir Canard flies identically to the last time I test flew it, and C2 hasn’t notably changed performance in years as I flew that one out due to owning it.
I flew out F-104S a minimum of 5 times since this last major update and it’s performing effectively identically to when I purchased it. FM sidegrade at best.
J35XS is the only one that was nerfed.
J7D’s FM is “as-bad” as J35XS.
And J7E lacks the fuel if you bring no external, and if you bring external it gets a performance hit.
All 3 of the aircraft you mentioned always fought against F-14A and Mirage 2000C, the Mirage being under-BR’d.
Mig-23ML is not as good as you think. F-4S is though, it’s an F-14A that turns 2 degrees less per second.
You must live in a parallel reality and not use these planes
both the kfir canard, as well as the J35XL and f104 S TAfF had their flight models nerfed by bug report, all 3, in addition to the addition of 0.6 in the br of the j35xl and kfir.
This plane is 11.7, it is not even being discussed here.
Man…his FM was nuked.
All the changes made to FM were negative changes, it was one of the biggest FM nerfs I’ve ever made in this game
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There are so many absurd things written here that I don’t even know if you are just a troll, or if you are really disconnected from reality.
with f104 it was rare but it happened, with the kfir canard and with j35xl I never faced f14, I already faced mirage 2000 when it was 11.3 when it went to 11.7 it never happened again.
it should be 12.7 together with the f14, the f14 is the most under br plane
Mig 23 It’s a fair plane, for what it delivers, and it’s in a good spot on 11.7 after its FM changes, but it’s still better than the 3 mentioned, that’s a fact.
f4s is far inferior to f14 in every aspect, it is a completely unfortunate comparison
It’s really not as bad as the J35 currently, but both of them didn’t deserve to be on 11.3, but on 11.0
Edit: all 3 mentioned should be in 11.0 after all the changes made
I mostly agree with you here, but there are some little tidbits I’d like to pick apart, so please indulge me :)
As someone who has the (tech tree) F-104S, I disagree with you on this point. It is an interceptor, not a bomber. The AIM-7E is frankly not worth sacrificing the Vulcan for, and the AIM-9Js are a one-flare missile, and lack any really solid range. The kit is about average for the BR, if not a little worse. It’s not like the F-5E (and even the F-4E to an extent) where you can easily whip your nose to lead the missile. The F-104S is a brick, especially after the new changes.
It’s an aircraft built to blow other planes out of the sky. If the only way you can do remotely well is by blowing up bases, perhaps it’s time for it to go down in BR.
100% agree here, I think it could absolutely go down in BR without being an issue.
Honestly, the J35XS could go back down to 10.7 without being an issue. If it had the old FM it could sit at 11.0 without an issue. (When I refer to “Old FM”, I’m referring to the one that would let you flat spin yourself if you pulled too hard. It’d be nice to introduce a skill floor for a premium without making it hellish to use for once.
Overall, I think you make some good points here, however I do disagree with some other points you made as to the FM of the J-7D as it’s a MiG-21MF (if I remember right) in flight performance. Good engine, decent missiles, you just can’t whip the nose around like crazy.
Only if F-5C goes back to 10.3, which honestly means removing the decompression for most jets.
J35XS still out-fights Viggen, and fights as well as Mig-21SMT/J-7D with as good weapons as the J-7.
Sadly SMT/J-7D aren’t as good as Mig-21MF.
It’s sad that people like @Leinadmix9_ツ come in here and defend all these aircraft being 11.3.
Insulting and gaslighting us, and claiming us to be bad things when we want at least one of them moved to 11.0, with consideration for another to move to 11.0.
@Von_Valinor
Not sure why your new post is suddenly against J35XS moving to 11.0.
“You must not use these planes if you think J35XS should be lowered in BR.”
As for your points. Kfir C2 is a Kfir Canard with Python 3s, that’s the primary difference.
Keep claiming that people are bad things for understanding the threat of F-14A and F-4S is to J35XS; though thankfully F-4S players haven’t realized how weak aircraft are to their AIM-7Fs yet.
You are also claiming F-4 FGR2 and F-4S are under-BR’d with that claim.
Will you double down?
F-14A uses the same radar type as F-4S, same anti-fighter weapons. The difference is F-14A can dogfight better.
J35XS should be 11.0 no matter how much you accuse us of bad things.
Literally false but okay…
The main issue with the J35s has always been that swedish manuals only list regulation performance, not actual performance.
The J35 IRL could do some honestly batshit insane stuff… stuff which was (For good reason) probibuted by the manual. (They still did it very, very often.)
Tbh this is why I would support a uniform FM based on simulation data for all planes, but I digress.
but the c2 is not part of this discussion, it is not being debated, it is an 11.7 event plane that is somewhat rare to see in matches.
It has better avionics and missiles, apart from the FM which is different from the Kfir canards, stop insisting on off-topics
At no time did I say that these planes are my favorite planes, I said that they were planes that gave me a lot of fun, which they were in good spots in their respective BR.
It is not about BR compression because these planes belong to this BR, they were part of this BR before the FM and BR changes.
compression is you put A10C with 4x aim9m to fight against the 3 planes mentioned
I’m not being unfair, I’m not asking for the FM changes to be reverted, I’m just asking for a BR adjustment like they did with the Mig23ML after the nerfs, which was previously 11.3, with the BR changes it was supposed to have gone up to 12.0 along with the Mirage F1C, however due to the FM changes it went to 11.7, which was a fair change, the same logic should be applied to the 3 planes mentioned, they do not belong to 11.3.
They belong to 11.0, There is no plausible justification for destroying these planes like this
Calma docinho, ja reclamei sobre o mesmo problema no post original no dia das mudanças e em outros posts do mesmo assunto. Mas em algumas partes foram removidas por eu ‘’ insunuar ‘’ que a pessoa n sabia do que tava falando sobre o caça ( eu estava argumentando que o jato n deveria estar mesmo no atual br e a outra falando que é skill issue e que o caça é aceitável onde está ) ai eu desisti dessa treta e agr sempre que ver alguém reclamando eu vou sim encher o saco :)
Seja bem vindo ao forum ou melhor dizendo, ao mundo pacifico do war thunder :)
