Power-Creeping Ourselves to the Moon

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Ah, how AIR-RB has been in a constant state of getting worse.

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So… we added the MiG-29SMT and the F-16C which are modern aircraft to the game before the Su-27 and F-15A.

When the MiG-29SMT and the F-16C were added the 12.0 older versions were worse than them in really important aspects: radar, missiles (except the R-27ER and the AIM-7M) and COUNTERMEASURE QUANTITY

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So what did we do afterwards? We added the Su-27 and the F-15A at 12.3 before sending the SMT, F-16C and the Su-27 to 12.7 while the dumbahh F-15A stayed at 12.3… why? Idk I have it and honestly it would’ve been fine at 12.7 when that was “top tier” making 11.3 aircraft at the time fight against 4 X AIM-9Ms and 4 X AIM-7M then make it X 4 due to the full upptier limit of 4 +1 BR aircraft compared to your own (11.3 ->12.3) and somehow the players that had the superior aircraft fighting against multiple MiG-23ML(D)s and F-4S’ most of the time bottom scored cause they were bombing bases and died to an R-24R to the nose…

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And now! What did we do??? We added FOX-3 missiles.

And added the Su-27SM and F-15C MSIP II to the game because the old Su-27 and the F-15A couldn’t carry them; and we lowered the ceiling that allowed you to loose lock from radars from 100 meters above the ground to 60 and that feels like actually 30… and we did that by adding those aircraft to 13.0 making the 12.0 aircraft hopeless against them and making the older versions of the Su-27 and F-15A (not really cause it still stayed at 12.3 making it still mostly face 11.3) basically useless.

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And now we “raised” the BR by .7 and “decompressed” top tier aircraft… uhuh.

The 9.3 aircraft benefited the most from it cause the A-10 Late was moved to 10.7 and the A-10 Early and Su-25(K) were moved to 10.3 making the issue of facing all aspect missiles without flares a bit easier due to the rule of 4 +1 BR aircraft in a full uptier.

BUT, the F8U-2 with 60 flares and 4 AIM-9Ds stayed at 10.0 and… the F-4C was moved to 10.7…? And… the F-104A and C stayed at 9.3???

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We are making things worse by staying at a -+1 br system at top tier, maybe even from 10.0 onwards.

And we are adding constantly new stuff that gets power crept the next update…

And I saw in a video by MatAWG a “leak” list that has the RAFALE, SU-33 and the F/A-18C… It has to be fake, he even said he doesn’t believe it.

We are adding gasoline to the chemical fire with every update, we need sometime to figure out how to balance top tier properly and give the lower and mid tiers some love.

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Yeah, because he’s probably the one that made it up… Amazes me people still watch these people who just lie to your face 24/7 and make money from it.

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Ngl, those meme placements were on point… Made that a blast to read! Good job!

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Gaijin has this philosophy that que times must be near instant, and do whatever they must to ensure it even at the detriment of the game.

Im not sure why, i guess they assume fast ques make the majority of players more happy than longer ques and tighter MM.

Its also why we can only ban 1 map, among other things.

It would be nice if they just rolled out an expieremental MM change to test out. Maybe like shaving off .3 from both ends (ie 10.0 could see up to 10.7 and 9.3) and let us try it out for 2 weeks or so and give feedback)

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And? Airframe =/= power creep. Especially since F-16A is a better airframe than both.

F-15C MSIP II is the only power creep in your post by the middle part. Su-27SM is inferior.

Decompression isn’t a bad thing…

It is fake, Rafale is 6 AAMs only.
Su-33 is worse than F-15C MSIP II, and F-18C is on-par with F-15C MSIP II, no power creep.

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My brother in Christ I never said that Decompression a bad thing, is that this isn’t real decompression, we are actively compressing the top tier aircraft.

The main difference between the F-16A vs F-16C and MiG-29SMT is flare quantity (F-16A has 60 and the F-16C has 120, MiG-29 has 60 against the SMTs 98) and the missiles available, its AIM-9L vs AIM-9M and R-60M vs R-73 there is no way this isn’t power creep.

Like are you seriously going to say that the MiG-29(9-13) and the F-16A that are 12.7 (and the ADF that now is 13.0…) have ANY chance WHATSOEVER against AMRAAMS with only 60 countermeasures???

What I meant with ± 1 br is that full down and up tiers shouldn’t be - and + 1 br range respectively maybe .7 or .3 depending on the aircraft at upper tiers, at lower tiers it’s understandable.

It’s not always about the airframe, it’s about what it can bring, it doesn’t matter if you are more agile when you died to an AMRAAM launched from 9km up and 20km away when you can’t contest it because you need to maintain a lock whilst their missile gets to pitbull range at 16km away from you and they can go defensively without needing to maintain a lock, they can simply turn and run away.

Like holy shit have you even played “old” top tier recently?

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They keep adding new modern stuff cuz that’s what make them money, it is as shrimple as that. Your average player don’t want to play ww2 stuff, they see the flashy t-90m or f-15 and wanted to play the game for them. Then get hit by the awful grind and will probly buy a rank 7 prem and quit shortly after.
They probly won’t change it cuz it gonna hurt their bottom line.

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ofc it had to be Mat AWG.

hes like the king of making clickbait content and posting about even the tiniest news he gets. Not to mention the constant flood of videos he makes with such low quality.

i fell like he just wants to jump on the hype the way he grabs anything from reddit, mostly spreading false information while at it too.

I wont believe any of his videos if i were you, unless its based on news from gaijin

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Besides F-15C MSIP II, no other aircraft powercrept because 13.0 was added, and then the BR raised AGAIN, without new vehicle additions, by 0.7, with a 0.3 BR decompression for the top end total.
We’ve had since 2022, 1.3 BRs of decompression. “Real decompression” as you put it.
Top end hasn’t been compressed since the addition of F-14A which was corrected, and that’s not counted as part of the decompression.

Would cause compression, because 99% of vehicles are balanced off of 1.0 matchmaker, so that 99% would need to be rebalanced for a more compressed match maker.

I’ve been playing top BR since 2019.

More decompression can happen of course, but the powercreep has stopped long ago. We get new BRs every new technology, and Gaijin’s been working on decompressions consistently.
There is more going on and we should be the most well informed of the facts before we make our assessments.

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What about the Su-27? The F-16A and ADF? The MiG-29 (9-12) (9-13) and MiG-29G? They shouldn’t face the planes with amraams, as most of the current 12.7 13.0 stuff…

And come on from 2021 to 2024 we only had a 3.0 br increase, I remember when the F-4E was 10.7, and now here the F-15C and Su-27SM at 13.7

If you remember the “April fools” event that had modern mbts and helis they were 14.0, all BRs suffers with the current br system

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Why are you even watching that ESL 90% of his videos are just bait with false info also the Su-33 wouldn’t even be toptier it’d be 12.7 or 13.0

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It depends.
AMRAAMs are strong, but so is map design with terrain following options, and AMRAAMs are still defeated by anything with a digital RWR. Obviously chaff helps as well.

War Thunder obviously lacks teaching material for these weapons.

We should have feedback prepared and patience for BR changes.

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Yeah it’s basically a naval version Su-27 nothing really changed but still we don’t need new things, we need to fix the problem that is air-rb currently, and don’t forget that the Su-27 is currently 13.3 compared to the F-15A 13.0… for some reason

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I agree completely with you

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Dumb people. The problem is Gaijin gave up trying to care about their community. Despite them saying they do, their actions say otherwise. Since their actions have started to panter towards short-term players for quick and easy monetary gain rather than long-term monetary gain. Of players who have been here for a long time.

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@SinisterIsRandom
So developers that take feedback, run roadmaps, implement the best ideas of feedback, etc… all don’t care about their community.
Their actions that prove they’re taking feedback, which is profitable… apparently not caring.

They’re catering to long term players with improved rewards, no repair payments for premium account holders, etc.

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“Oh no, no longer can I rush whatever my target is with impunity, now i need to actually defend! Woe is me!”

The multipath reduction was the single best thing to happen to the game, and i will die on this hill.

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Hard disagree, it should have been removed entirely, not reduced.

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Based.

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How is it super beneficial, if it only affects a tiny portion of the game?