Yeah. That wasn’t a fair comparison they made honestly.
However some of the event vehicles are a long grind for something that is not always that viable.
Therefore, we can look at the statistics of the FV4030/3 tank, which I have also kindly provided.
Which shows the very same thing I am speaking about. One of the most popular nations will always have more games played vs one of the lesser popular ones has a drastically lower play rate.
These statistics are also not official nor the full accurate picture either.
But both the Scimitar and the FV4030/3 are in the same tech tree. The difference is that in one case, you made an event for a tank that was at least somewhat interesting, while in the other, you released a light tank that nobody really wanted — the Scimitar.
Your company needs to take a more responsible approach to choosing marathon rewards. Right now, it feels like you’re not even trying to appeal to the majority of players and are simply churning out unwanted vehicles that people want to forget about the moment they are announced.😤
This is categorically false. Plenty of people wanted it, asked for it and it was received well. I’m afraid this is showing your personal bias once again in attempting to speak on behalf of everyone rather than just express your personal opinion.
The classification, if it’s a main battle tank or a light tank doesn’t really matter in terms of quality of content in a event vehicle but the vehicle itself the developers are offering in form of a event to be part. Since event vehicles can be done with any nation except with a specific family of vehicle like ground vehicles, naval vehicles or flying vehicles we can discard nation as a factor that make a event vehicle interesting otherwhise people won’t be speaking about things like AMX-50 Surblindé, at the time France wasn’t popular as it’s today certainly.
In a hypothetical scenario, if the Scimitar Mk.2 was instead the supposed Chieftain Mk.10 with a 140 mm cannon, certainly would be vastly more interesting vehicle because it’s another unique example of vehicle that could be an event vehicle.
Although we should put things in perspective, I don’t have informations on this very specific Chieftain Mk.10 with this 140 mm cannon and I’m skeptical that the image above is the vehicle in question. Regardless this tells a bit how event vehicles are considered by the developers to implement more unique designs in other forms in the game, example of this is the WZ-141-1 and T-80UD/BE, both are vehicles in the Chinese tech tree, WZ-141-1 is a unique approach to an airborne vehicle that was introduced behind a paywall, the main prize of a battlepass. The other a lesser different variant of the same T-80UD present in the Soviet Union tech tree in form of event vehicle that has a total of one different asset: the thermal imaging gunner sight. Is that so to make a event vehicle? A thermal sight if not the nation that is representing.
In case of the Scimitar Mk.2 it was required a fuzz from the community for the developers to consider the APDS-FS belts and on top of that wait a month or more for the removeable slat armor that from the time announced until the release of the feature certainly affected the vehicle performance in comparison to the base Scimitar tank. When I said nations doesn’t matter on event is, I think, a true statement. F-16XL was highly antecipated, I doubt because it was made by the United States, one of the most if not the most popular nation in the game, but because it’s a unique branch of the F-16 family. The Scimitar Mk.2 also was highly antecipated not because it would be probably effective neither because it was made by United Kingdom but because of the CVR-T family.
My question is; which I don’t need you to reply directly to this is, why are ground event vehicles becaming less and less interesting and unique designs that avert away from regular researchable vehicles? Battlepass and regular premium vehicles are way more effective then event vehicles. For example the WZ-141-1, not only is unique but also very effective on its class of light tank. The other T58 is another highly effective vehicle on its class and the few ground event vehicle that I would say that was worth the time invested on, not considering Object 292, was the FV4030/3 with its very good armor and gun for the battle rating and the Boxer MGS 3105 before its reload time increase (I didn’t played with it recently, so I can’t say if it’s still good, but it should probably).
Returning to the Scimitar Mk.2 being a light tank and comparing it to a main battle tank isn’t fair, and if the intention was a light tank why not the FV101 or the FV101-2 (90 mm variant) which not only would add a unique variant of this highly requested vehicle but also made to another task, to engage more armored units? I mean of all things, at least myself, I am discontent with how bad event vehicles are, I’m not demanding that event vehicles should be powerful but there’s a performance gap between event vehicles, battlepass vehicles and premium vehicles. In the case of the Patria AMV (Bakhcha) I don’t think it will perform as poor as the Scimitar Mk.2 because it has a proper anti-tank weapon, I just think that Sweden also could have a more unique vehicle as I’ve mentioned in my post attached previously in the original thread. In my opinion the UDES-XX 20 not only would be a more interesting vehicle, would be more effective in the current War Thunder environment, and for a event vehicle would be more appealing because of that—it has a dedicated anti-tank weapon—a 120 mm cannon, but also a highly requested vehicle for Sweden.
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Equally, it must also be considered that if something is too unique, a different group of people will complain that its an event and not in the tree / standard premium etc. A balance must be struck all round.
Its also not the case that the Scimitar would have been something like this Chieftain, as it was always planned to be a light vehicle event in this window, rather than an MBT.
It was already under consideration before the vehicle even launched. We made that clear and said that its statistics first needed to be monitored and assessed before it was introduced. So that its BR would not immediately climb.
Again, sadly this was made clear that it required a model update to enable, which happen typically in major updates.
This is rather a subjective matter, as some prefer many of the recent rewards whilst others will prefer more drastic departures from what’s available in the tree. The answer is that both are done. We have both the one off experimental / prototypes and the more common, but still unique vehicle variants. Both have a spot in events and cover the balance we try to strike between all types of rarities of vehicles to be obtainable. Without annoying the group that don’t like to see too many unique things behind events and also the group that want to see them there.
The Scimitar doesn’t come in place of either of those, but also is the ideal event vehicle. Since it is unique (and entirely new chassis, better ammo, slat armour) but also takes nothing significant away from the tree itself.
Swin has spawned just a simple question does Gajin have any plans for new types of events or a event overhual if you can tell us?
Well, I’ve considered things and I think there’s something we both can agree upon and you have mentioned, and probably won’t be the last time and it’s certainly wasn’t the first. I don’t think that event vehicles will pivot to exclusively unique designs, experimental and or prototypes because part of the community will argue that the developers are requiring time management and effort in a short period of time. At the same time if the developers intent to balance in between as you mentioned, another part of the community, like myself, will argue that said event vehicles aren’t worth as event vehicles.
On my end I’ll just hope that the next one is something unique as a 152 mm boomstick like the Object 292 in terms of appearence—A main battle tank with 152 mm—or as I’ve mentioned previously with the UDES-XX 20 an articulated trailer and a small silhouette with a unmanned 120 mm cannon would also be very cool as an event vehicle. But regardless, putting my own issues aside, I don’t think that the Patria AMV (Bakhcha) will be bad, since, it has a 100 mm cannon that can shoot anti-tank guided missiles. I’m excited to see if APDS-FS is being considered as well, not only that but an improved loading mechanism for the anti-tank guided missile:
Make them fun with mini challenges like the battle pass instead of just mere score.
it’s boring and they not worth one min of grinding them and copy past they want players to grind 750K mission score to get a coupon while back then it used to be 45k that’s just greedy.
back 2019 before we used to get even with 3 rewards and many stuff it’s this garbage.
they not even worth it and only worth event it is dream come true which take one year to come and have WWII tank / aircraft.
while they have thousands of suggestion they choose most boring ones and if you say it’s copy past they get upset.
bring back 3 rewards and make it only 45k for a coupon one modern tank and one WWII and no they should not make 3 or 4 events each year maybe two so they don’t run out of tanks and aircrafts.
The number of battles played in this vehicle suggests otherwise. If a vehicle only gets 300к battles during its first month (which is very low), that means there was very little demand for it. It’s quite unfortunate that you are giving the developers feedback claiming that this vehicle was well received.
It’s frustrating that the pilots were given a genuinely interesting reward that was worth paying attention to, while we got a wheeled vehicle with an autocannon that I have absolutely zero desire to grind for.
What’s even worse is that you gave us false hope by mentioning a tank.
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that’s so true i was very excited i saw a surprise then showed a bmp 3 with no diet as reward they could added this as tec tree nothing is special out that tank be even considered a event tank having bmp 3 turret in wheels make it special somehow??
months of waiting for this event and Sweden could have more cool rewards instead of this.
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We don’t currently no. Since the current type was the type adopted after the changes a few years ago and the one most people favoured over all previous event types.
Nobody “got upset”. You were simply answered that the vehicle isn’t copy paste. Because factually it is not.
It seems later you realised this after it was pointed out to you and changed it to simply mean you call things copy paste if you don’t personally like them.
I would like if we could receive something more special like premium vehicles.
They could also add already existing vehicles but maybe with interesting skins, imagine if we had an event where we could get a Tiger 1 but its a premium and it looks like the “Two Fronts” Tiger Pack, with camo nets and all that. i think it would be cool :p or historical vehicles like Franz Stigler’s BF-109 or something like that, premium ofc but for gaijin that would be too much
Score required should be lowered, 45k is crazy, 35k is already high but we started to like it just because gaijin sometimes put 45k which is worse.
the score required should be below 30k i think. Events in a game shouldnt require +3 hours per day to complete
Again, this is not the only metric of how a vehicle is considered or not. You are again comparing different vehicle roles as your metric for judgement. As you even said earlier, an MBT is always going to achieve higher numbers, simply because they are the core of a line-up.
It does not no. That is your personal opinion.
Please do not make statements about things you don’t have the full details about.
The developers can see from themselves both directly in actual statistical values, metrics and factual data what is and what was not successful. They can also directly see from any feedback we pass via the links directly back to the topics and locations it was passed from the reactions, discussions and answers. It is not down to me or any CM to decide what is and what is not popular.
Again, you are projecting your personal views and opinions onto everyone else. Because you do not like something personally, does not mean everyone agrees with you. Or your methods for deciding what was and what was not successful, particularly when you have clear data bias and do not look at the facts wholly but from a perspective that favours your personal opinion only.
Pretty sure that it didnt have the BAKHCHA turrent at least on the trailer seems to have the 2k23 turret, the rounded one like on the bmp3 on the russian tt, on the trailer also had the original sight not the sodema as well