Poll: Should War Thunder Add More Tech-Tree Vehicles to Japan, Sweden, Italy, and Israel?

In MiG-21MF and later models, current BR is really fine except J-7E.

MiG-21MF/SMT should be fine if you compare to premium J-7D.

J-7D is 0.3BR higher but, that’s because its performance and FM is pretty close to MiG-21MF/SMT but, J-7D has ways better missiles also, MiG-21bis which is ok in its BR is sitting at 11.3BR.

What Italy needs imo:

  • Better ~3.7 SPAA
  • Another ~4.7 tank
  • A ~5.3 SPAA (or just move the R3 down to 5.3 where it belongs)
  • Multiple vehicles to fill out 7.0-7.7
  • A real ~7.0 SPAA
  • B1 Draco
  • Grifo
  • Centauro II
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They had both IS-2 variants (original and 1944) in service till 1956.

on one hand, I want more stuff for Israel, but on the other hand I know that whatever they add isn’t going to be half as good as it could be

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Israeli desperately needs more light tanks (and tank armor corrections). They could also use a LATAM or Chilean subtree in the future.

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Heres hoping one is a TT i love my IS-2’s

They could also get an is3 iirc could be a neat little heavy tonk for them.

The thing is… What new vehicles? Slight modifications of existing ones? Blueprint tanks? Direct copy-paste premiums? Random vehicles from other unrelated nations?

At least one was destroyed during revolution, but I am not sure if they captured it especially in operable condition.

For the sake of having a heavy tank available it should be added imo but i know others dont agree.

Yeah, there can be one if Gaijin allows this “minor” TT to have a regular heavy tank.
Although nothing interesting about Hungarian “Josephs”, just IS-2s with HPA stars.

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Probably gonna be a premium lol, they only had 3 IS-3Ms and used them for Arty or bunker busting purposes iirc.

So far all minor nations without main stay heavies have been premiums

Yes they are, M1000A1 is far better than 3BM25, and so it’s a trade between firepower and armor.

I think that gajin doesn’t like adding more tanks in one update in order to control hype and stimulate the game, wouldn’t it be better to just add some new interesting independent technology tree to get something fresh?

Ahem and mobility, the T55AM-1 has a better engine, and armor. Both of which make it quite the little tank, again one round being the main factor just doesnt make sense. If you really think those 2 huge attributes are equal to 1 alright round thats a bit crazy. Then again thats how gaijin thinks considering half of top tiers BR’s

14.7 vs 14.25 hp/t doesn’t really make a huge difference especially considering both of them are pretty slow for their BR, and M1000A1 is (albeit slightly) better than DM23 whilst 3BM25 is weaker than XM885.

There really isnt that big of a difference to warrant a T55A at the same BR as the AM-1. It definitely feels like a compression issue but again. Better armor and a better engine are much more valuable than a single round which is like a meh upgrade. If the round was like 370mm flat and over 200mm at 60° id agree but thats not the case. Its a slight upgrade whereas is falls off in every other category. I dont think the T55M is a bad 8.7 but the AM-1 does not belong at the same BR as the M

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What? Literally how? Im actually curious if im missing something i could see the angle pen but neither vehicles will meet in a real match and the HSTVL also has much less spall.

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Did you mean the otherway around? Regardless it has no relation to our conversation between two T55’s.

M1000A1 is over 50% stronger than 3BM25, not to mention the significantly better spalling.

Mobility is practically identical, only a ~3% increase in hp/t.

Armor is obviously better on the T-55AM-1 but T-55M has substantially better firepower. And the composite only protects against HEAT-FS. Again, it’s a trade off.

3BM25: ~260mm LOS pen at 60 degrees
XM885: ~320mm LOS pen at 60 degrees

Of course XM885 has lower projectile mass, but also has a better penetrator leading to more spall.

I’m comparing M1000A1 and 3BM25 to similar performing APFSDS rounds to give you an idea of the difference in performance.