[Poll] Remove the R-27ER from the early MiG-29 variants

[kizvy]

@Merf_HD you can explain it to him righty

[Farlexgamer_psn]

@HighRiskNoReward

But most people underestimate the current Mig-29 FM, especially the 9.12

People dont underestimate it, it’s just bad plain and simple

[AlvisWisla]

IDK, Merf claims that I’m wrong about the engine thrust being wrong, so I doubt he’ll change his stance to agree with me and others.

@Merf_HD
You do realize I’m saying engine thrust is incorrect… right?
I quite literally agree with you that the thrust curve is incorrect.

And you’re claiming that claim is wrong… while agreeing with me about the engine thrust being incorrect.

My statement that Mig-29’s thrust curve is incorrect is still my statement that I make today.
It will not change.

[ron_23]

because you are wrong, proven so

at this point you arent even trying to make sense
go somewhere else to ragebait

[ron_23]

so what about the thrust chart
that clearly shows that your statments were incorect

@Merf_HD

@AlvisWisla

~400kph to 650kph

wrong, the charts dont align anywhere.

just stop it you are not convincing anyone

@AlvisWisla

Zero people have disproved the claim that engine thrust is incorrect.

you are changing you statment to not look bad

[Zannafrancy]

afaik you cant have a 4x r73 loadout on mig21 bison

[ron_23]

@AlvisWisla

further proving my point that it’s incorrect!

stop trying to gaslight ppl the thrust curve is incorrect at every speed

@AlvisWisla

Please explain to us how saying “Thrust is incorrect at lower speeds.” is a different statement to “Thrust is incorrect at lower speeds.” if you want to double down on that claim…

thats not what you said go gaslight somewhere else dont do it here

[kizvy]

nope

[Zannafrancy]

i meant to say *cant

[ron_23]

yeah we/ I figured that out as well after looking at bug reports lol

[AlvisWisla]

@ron_23
I’m glad we agree that the thrust curve is incorrect.

@ron_23

thats not what you said

Literally is:

@AlvisWisla

There’s a thrust curve question for the engines once the anti-FOD device is open though.
Gaining 46% thrust from 580kph to ~mach 1 is something wild. Lower speed thrust might be too low.

Right after I started re-invstigating the thrust curve issue… would you look at that.

@AlvisWisla

The thrust curve could be better and more in-line with the anti-FOD device opening, which would improve performance above those speeds.

@AlvisWisla

What’s incorrect is the thrust curve from ~400kph to 650+kph.

And evidence the thrust curve is incorrect between those speeds and beyond:

@AlvisWisla

[ron_23]

what you said is this:

@AlvisWisla

What’s incorrect is the thrust curve from ~400kph to 650+kph

i do not care what you said somewhere else or on discord

@AlvisWisla

And evidence the thrust curve is incorrect between those speeds and beyond:

AlvisWisla:

your own evidence is saying that the thrust is incorrect at every speed
which isnt even your evidence it is @Merf_HD 's evidence

stop the gaslighting

[ron_23]

why am i arguing?

simple because you are trying to twist your statments after the fact to not look bad no matter how right or wrong you were

it isnt your evidence it is @Merf_HD 's and said very specific words which mean very specific things and you changing the message after the fact doesnt change what you said

you said that the thrust is ONLY incorrect between 400 and 650kph meanin it is correct at any other speed

@AlvisWisla

Mig-29 has not been nerfed since release, and its flight model is currently correct.
What’s incorrect is the thrust curve from ~400kph to 650kph. Source is Mikoyan documents.

so cut it
go gaslight someone else becasue i will hold you accountable for your words
becasue you will just go on and continue trying to manipulate words and their meaning into something they arent

[AlvisWisla]

To reiterate my argument that I’ve been making for well over a year:
The thrust curve of RD-33 engines installed in Mig-29 is incorrect.
My initial findings found evidence beyond 400kph and exceeding 650kph.

I thought I was accurately implying that the curve was incorrect to around mach 1, but that was clearly not the case since some haven’t picked up on that implication and I have fixed the error in wording to include a + or “more than” or “exceeding”.

I apologize to those that did not understand that was my claim, I made wording errors and that caused issue.
My posts that had incorrect language used have been corrected.

[ron_23]

@AlvisWisla

I apologize to those that did not understand that was my claim.

that was not your claim
you said that you have sources, which you dont

you said the flight model is correct, which it isnt

you said that the thrust curve is correct besides from 400 to 650kph

@AlvisWisla

To reiterate my argument that I’ve been making for well over a year

an argument you made a year ago in a thread that is dead does not matter here, as nobody has seen that thread or read your messages, that is in here

and now cut it as it is off topic and i will also not continue this in PMs

[kizvy]

My brain is melting Georgie best momento

[ron_23]

need tho have the last word dont you?

that dosent make you right and gaslighting will not help you and twisting what was said will neither

@AlvisWisla

Accept that Merf and I

merf disagreed with you as well, that is a fact

you are still trying to twist your statment, from what was actually said

@AlvisWisla

Either accept that you misread it

and you should accept that you dont know what words mean if you keep this up, you said something very specific, which dosent leave any room for interpretation and yet claim that you didnt

stop the gaslighting you are not convincing anyone here

@AlvisWisla

Either accept that you misread it or keep claiming Merf and I are wrong, I don’t care which.

and you not backing down shows that you desperatly want to safe face and try to make me the one who was wrong even tho everything is pointing against you

and again:
stop it nobody wants to read your gaslighting attempts and they are off topic as well

[Danzig_A11]

Just leave the R-27ER, add R-73 and 27ET and move them to 13.0.

[Danzig_A11]

Also good to see that Razorvon(alvis) is still gracing the forums with their enlightened takes

[SoyBeanInhaler]

yap thread