1st of all that is ahistorical for the 9.12 and 9.13
2nd that will not happen due to it completely invalidating the Mig29G completly
The only way to get the r73 on the 9.12 and 9.13 (ignoring the 29g) is to have the r27er removed as it should because they never carried it
This is kind of a double standard take.
MiG-29G never carried R-27ER, so why shouldn’t it have it’s R-27ER removed as well.
I honestly think the MiG-29s are fine as is, the R-27ERs are almost guranteed kills and the rest can be done with the gun.
Also at 12.7 the MiG-29 9-12 and 9-13 face a lot of premiums who aren’t aware enough to flare, thus giving more power to the R-60Ms
@Danzig_A11
If you have an issue with people saying the Mig-29’s flight performance is incorrect, just say so instead of personally attacking others.
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Honestly, it is quite funny that M2K that is ways better than MiG-29s is sitting at lower BR.
The MiG-29G should not have been added to TT in the first place because historically, the differences between the MiG-29A and MiG-29G in the real life are merely modifications to several different specifications and functions in NATO and WSO.
They could add G model as premium but, they added it in TT with arbitrary changes.
It should but it will not happen because that would be the only thing that makes it worth to grind
So it is highly unlikely that gaijin removes the er and et from the 29g, even less likely than the base Mig29 getting the r73
Base 9-12 could jsut get it’s R-27ER removed. Keep br or lower to 12.3.
29G could just remove 27ER&ET and keep current br.
So treat other 29 as 29G, while leaving 9-12 at 12.7/12.3
that just makes the Mig-29 even more irrelevant
why would anyone want to fly that if you have the F-16A at the same BR with way better flight performance and missiles heck you even have the F-18A which has the 9l and 7m as well
at the end you will just get a worse Mig-23 at a higher BR, which the mig-29 already is only difference is that it has a HMS which shouldnt even work with the r-60 as they can not be directly slaved to the HMS but only to a radar or IRST lock
why should it stay at its curent BR after the armament got nerfed?
it is already not doing so great
currently the Mig-29 is just one of the worst options to take out at 12.7 and you wont make that better by removing the r-27er due to historical accuracy but denying its signiture weapon the r-73
it is like denying the Aim-54 for F-14s as the mig-29 was planned from the start to use the r-73 in combination with the HMS, just like hte F-14 was planned to use the Aim-54 in combination with the AWG-9
That’s still gonna be decent BVR fighter, which can do smth in WVR.
Cus supersonic decent dogfight platform with IRCCM missiles should not be 12.7, which still has R-27R. That’s simple.
it cant it is literally the worst flight model for a 4th gen and only able to win against a competend pilot if he is in something like a phantom or a tornado
great joke it isnt, like i said above it has the worst dogfighting performance out of any 4th gen
M2K at 12.7 with R530D and Magic 2 and the R530D, that has way better kinematics than the r-27r
or the Mig-21 bison at 12.3 with the r-73 and r-27r + HMS, which is also a supersonic platform
or the Mirage F1C at 12.0
Cool. But it still fights 12.0 and other stuff.
Which are… exactly like phantom and tornado which youre mentioned.
With way less of them, right…
Aswell, 530d arent better than 27R overall. Maybe at level.
Both gonna be way worser platforms than 29G with R-73.
so does the M2K, F-18A or the F-16A at lower BRs with way better flight performance at 12.3
they carry the same ammount of radar missiles
with the M2K having way better avionics, flight perfomance and more CMs and a MAW
what it dosent have in missiles it has in flight performance and general avionics
thats why iam not saying that a mig-29 with r-27r and r-73 should be 12.0 or 12.3 as it already has an equal at 12.7
Iv read all this thread and conclude the mig29 cant be saved unless the nerfs are reverted. Look.at how fun it used to be
even with the nerfed flight model, which gaijin seemingly dosent want to fix and is ignoring promarz sources on
a historical loadout is pretty much its only chance to not become completly irrelevant
Moving it to 13.0 will make it even more irrelevant and I’ll be way too similar to the 29G, there’s no easy way out.
Gain rate with flaps lol that mig 29 fm was fantasy. But it had to get r27ers after all, the f16 adf was beating it badly in terms of stats
where did i said that it should be 13.0?
as it currently stands the 29G isnt doing great at 13.0 and a Mig-29 without the 27er will most certainly not do better
You didn’t but there’s no way Gaijin will have a MiG 29 with the same exact loadout as the G at 12.7.
the 29G will not lose the 27er
that is something that will not happen, because there would be no reason to grind the 29G if it had the same loadout as the normal 29
and that is something that gaijin will not do
I agree, as long as the MiG-29 (9.13) stays at BR 12.7. You can limit the R-73 loadout to 4x and 2x R-27R/T to ensure it’s balanced; but it wouldn’t be competitive at 13.0 BR (which often gets up-tiered and faces Fox 3s) with just R-27Rs. The R-73 isn’t that great; the R-27ER is the more meta missile.
The Mirage 2000CS4 is at BR 12.3 with 2x IRCCM Magic 2s and 2x Super 530Ds (comparable to the R-27R), so the MiG-29 9.13 at 12.7 with two extra IRCCM missiles and HMD is fine.
The MiG-29M (9.15) should be added to BR 13.7 as a new tech tree vehicle succeeding the MiG-29SMT (at BR 13.3) as a direct counterpart to the J-10A at the same BR: up to 8x R-77s (or 4x R-27ER/ET + 4x R-73 / R-77).
The Soviet MiG-29 tree would look like this:
MiG-29 (9.13) → BR 12.7
MiG-29SMT → BR 13.3
MiG-29M (9.15) → BR 13.7