my experience at top tier has been rather similar, ive seen like next to no Refales or F15s seen a TON of Su30SM and Su34s, I think I saw a single game with an EFT and even then he got 2 kills before dying
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France isn’t that much played. Thats why Rafales are rare. I also rarely see US Air Force or Luftwaffe. Its like ppl gave up to use Mavericks or laser guided ordnance vs. Pantsirs. The 800 spawn point investment for a jet doesn’t pay off for most nations.
Still, one thing has to be said:
Hammers are Mach 1.
KH-38 are going Mach 2.2
You see that there’s sufficient time to do something to avoid Hammers. When Rafales fire Hammers from airspawn range, they need a quite long time to reach target. Its not trivial.
Mach 2.2 KH-38 simply don’t allow your vehicle to escape. Even when you smoke and speed away, you most likely won’t make it. Especially in unarmored vehicles, which are susceptible to the 100m splash damage radius.
Mach 2.2 speed also reduces the chance that random events spoof your shot. When you use slow moving missies, it often happens that the target gets behind a building or random smoke spoofs the lock. KH-38 are that fast that the time window is too small for random failures. Compare that to Mavs, which need an eternity to tumble towards the target and often fall out of the sky before they connect.
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Not sure what top tier you play but when im playing theres cas for almost every nation up and about.
Mavs, GBUs name it.
To bring up the pantsir as a calling card so much as anyone mentions cas that isnt russian is a weak argument.
F15, F16, Gripen, Mirages, rafales, (somewhat the typhoon) can all actively play and dodge pantsir easy, these platforms counter pantsir easily. (we need better spaas for all the other trees BTW that is a non argument from me)
The smoking and running away again relies on you to be watching the air for a damn plane firing missiles from what? 16km Away? whilst also playing against the ground forces.
Hell I used an A7D in my 11.3 lineup for USA and can easily rack off its aim65B’s ! and get between 1 - 4 kills.
Im not here defending the KH38MT BTW I genuinely believe the thermal targetting version should be removed from the game, its leaps and bounds ahead of almost every other AGM mounted on a plane bar the hammer and KH29
Im not debating that the KH38 is stupidely good at all.
Merely an off topic remark to a one sentence joke has gone over board xD
Lol the render distance is several KM below that so…
The Hammer, at the very least, is slow, but other than that, yeah it’s a menace. Probably my fav AGM because of how agile it is on terminal guidance. You rarely miss with the thing.
The Kh-29s are a different story and I disagree completely. Being TV seekers, they, at best, acquire moving locks at around 8km, usually around 4-6km, and put you in Type 81, manpad, crotale, and pantsir killboxes. You kinda need to chuck them from outside their lock range, hope they lock a target on the way in, and nab the kill. Unless you like flying dangerously, but CAS pilots are pussies who rarely go for thrills beyond the big 5-6 gold names on the killfeed within 5 seconds of each other. (Speaking from personal experience there).
Issue is they do get 3t/1.5t bombs so it’s actually hard in early game scenario to catch them. i sometimes spawn in SPAA and a fab3k is in spawn already.
Also they can take out SPAA with glide bombs all the same, also similarly u can do that with KH38ML. KH29TD itself might not be the best, but the stuff around it still makes it a strong contender. AASM I just find too slow, even with Tor or HQ17 it is easy enough to intercept.
That only works if Soviet stuff is the only thing to be inaccurate in a beneficial way, for which they haven’t since Mig-23MLD for exactly one major update before USA had equivalent aircraft and better aircraft were added.
Gaijin wasn’t as knowledgeable on BR placement prior to development back then and that’s a lesson they thankfully learned for future additions… though we did have one major update where USA, Japan, and Israel had the only top BR aircraft before everyone else got options, but that’s a tangent.
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Nothing is artificially nerfed.
Mig-29’s flight model currently matches charts.
The thrust curve could be better and more in-line with the anti-FOD device opening, which would improve performance above those speeds.
Though that’s a separate conversation for another topic.
Kh-38MT’s existence is in question, and there’s no evidence posted in either direction proving anything for it.
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MICA and BVR in the same sentence is very questionable lmao, even with Rafale having absurd performance rn MICA is still hard limited to 50km max kinematic range and server wiggles cut that down significantly
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Exaclty my point dudes talking about popping smokr and running from missiles we dont even know are there.
Only with LWS will you even know some missiles are there
I use the kh29s on my su25, two guaranteed kills with them, fire then on the way in usually between 5km and 12km out and.
Then i either swap to KABs or S250s and go to town.
The type 81s actually my nemisis as you dont get an rwr warnijg for it so gotta make sure you keep your eyes open.
The KH29s are actually strong but balanced missiles.imho the KH38T is just overkill
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thats what happens when there is a competent defence industry. meanwhile non-existent IR Kh-38 is given to USSR, tell me who gets the more preferential treatment
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has there still been no valid proof?
nope thing is still as real as any mock up
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Good thing that you had time to debunk that, otherwise it would be tossed around that 38ML has like ~M3.5 average speed lol.
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obviously ussr, they still have completely fake r27er kinematics
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Type 81 is nasty against KH-29 slingers as it can lock the plane before the 29 can track lock it in return.
Any ordnance that can establish track lock at 10km+ is too much for the game, and of course for ground players.
so the KH-38MT then?
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Revealing look into the mind of Russian CAS users. What is CCRP? What are GPS guided munitions?
NATO CAS users have to get used to using CCRP against SAMs they can’t otherwise defeat as low as the F-4E. I’m not remotely worried about a Type 81, unless it spawns while I’m in the middle of a CAS run. If there’s one up when I’m starting, it’s not a big problem. Gotta attack in a smart way, is all.
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I already stated the condition.
FnF missiles with such track range should be deleted immediately for the health of ground players. Either that or give us TO mode to play in peace.
so this is suddenly an issue when its looking like the KH-38MT isnt real? I also dunno if im just lucky or not but ive seen like next to no CAS at top tier besides the KH-38MT
Do I at all need to point out that Western IR MANPADs, are (still) not modeled properly even though Multiple Primary documents were presented that would otherwise be sufficient, in fact their original implementation was closer than how it remains to this day.
Aircraft and helicopter model, damage model, characteristic and weaponry changes
- “Igla”, “Stinger” and “Mistral” missiles - corrected flight performance and seeker parameters: engine thrust has been increased, lateral acceleration has been decreased.
“Will be fixed in 2.31.1.63+
Max overload will be 13 G.”
Here is an 8 month old (since it was accepted) report providing fairly exacting detail as to where they went wrong in their assumptions. And yet they remain having done nothing outwards.
At least with the fact that new SAMs are headlining the next update there is a slight chance that it gets implemented, among various other reports to overhaul the FIM-92’s performance.
How do you “square the circle” and claim that this was not intended, and as such find it not to be artificial.
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